Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.
Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.
For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages
. Launches
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Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM
The title doesn't sound that bad to me.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I agree that the title isn't really that bad—the others can always be made redirects—but the fact that it didn't have any hats, that the title discussion was ongoing, and that the description is so very sparse make me inclined to vote for an unlaunch.
Lost in Space
I could have sworn we already had a trope for that.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Healing Hands, which is about any ability to heal others, not its association with monarchs.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
We also have Royalty Super Power(the Super-Trope) and Benevolent Mage Ruler, where the magic don't have to be healing.
Edit, the Medical Monarch doesn't have to have Healing Hands, the healing can come from other sources and be 'non-touchy'.
This need to go back to YKTTW.
edited 15th Oct '13 1:50:23 PM by m8e
Yes, I agree on the unlaunch. There were still open questions on how to delimit the trope, and the name chosen is also (to me) far less expressive and evocative than some of the alternatives.
I don't think we should aim at doing redirects out of the YKTTW, unless there is very strong reason to.
There's no reason not to give a new trope redirects, if they will help make it more findable. There's rarely only one good name suggested for a trope, and purely descriptive suggestions which are too bland to make a good name do make useful redirects.
The primary point of redirects is to make things findable, and that is certainly not limited by the age of the trope in question. If anything, it's more important for new tropes.
edited 15th Oct '13 1:29:46 PM by Nocturna
OK, the Medical Monarch debate aside:
Think Tank, a two sentence stub.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Zzzzzzzzzz
Back to YKTTW. The description is sound, but it needs a "Related to...Compare/Contrast...", a "Commonly used in..." and Examples.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
^That is about Think Tank? I am rather thinking of cutting it outright and asking the creating editor to use YKTTW if they want to restore it.
And speaking of cutting, Index Bruiser seems to be a clear case of Search Generated Index. Anyone disagree with cutting it?
edited 16th Oct '13 1:45:53 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Zzzzzzzzzz
Yes, Think Tank.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
No objections to cutting either Think Tank or Index Bruiser.
I've cutlisted Index Bruiser. Any other opinions on Think Tank?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I disagree with cutting Index Bruiser. Search Generated Index says that when it's the same word being used over again the index should contain a minimum number of tropes, which is somewhere around eight. It's just the description that make Index Bruiser look like a SGI. It would be fine if the description were expanded to be any tough, forceful, or physically powerful person.
That is what Badass is about, though. Duplicating an index like that is bad.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Think Tank is meaningless as written. Cut it.
The term also has a real life meaning which is not being followed.
Personally I think that a Search Generated Index is harmless and I don't get why site policy has an objection to them.
EDIT PS:
Also, "Note that indexes based on trope snowclones are often allowed, even if only under the spirit of Just for Fun. But they should contain a minimum number of tropes, which is somewhere around eight. It's also okay if a bunch of tropes with a proper index theme also happen to share the same word in their titles, as long as the index is about the theme, not that word."
I would consider this an example of snowclones that are tied together by a certain theme. The way we use Bruiser is not the same way that we use Badass. While most bruisers are badass, not all badasses are bruisers.
edited 17th Oct '13 5:21:18 AM by Catbert
Any decision on Medical Monarch?
I'll go cutlist Think Tank then, after messaging the creator.
As for Index Bruiser: The reason why Search Generated Index is discouraged is because it adds nothing that the title search doesn't do. And as for this one, I know enough about the tropes in question to know that "fighter" is the only thing in common (which is what Badass is used for, in practice), and I question that only the word "bruiser" is interesting enough to make a JFF theme.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Sorcerer in training
A search generated index does exactly squat for the site, has nothing to redeem it as a page, what it lists can be generated just by searching, which makes it redundant, and such an index often duplicates one or more existing indexes, which makes it kind of pointless.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Lost in Space
Russia Iran Disco Suck. This is a sociopolitical essay masquerading as a trope, whose description is basically talking about how conservatives fail logic. It's completely off-mission for this wiki, even though it has a few shoehorned media examples to make itself look legit.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
The only thing I would consider salvageable would be "attributing a common origin to things you disapprove" - might be trope material. Otherwise, take the scissors out.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Sorcerer in training
That quote sounds it might be a conspiracy type thing, like blaming everything on the New World Order or other organization of choice. That's a trope of a sort.
Hedge clippers work as well
edited 18th Oct '13 12:17:20 AM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Lost in Space
I sent it to the Cut List.
What do we do with stub fanfic article launches? I admit to not being fully up to speed with them. The link is Legacy of Legends.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I usually message the creating tropers (if it's a new page) and tell them that we don't accept tropeless work pages, and that they ought to add some tropes or else the page will be cutlisted (which is done straightaway if the page has been inactive for some time).
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I'll agree the title stinks. The subject is more commonly known as "The Royal Touch" or "The King's Touch". (Fun article here
.) Hats are a problem, too.
The description also doesn't cover the entire concept in literature, either, though the examples try to. Although whether being actually able to heal vs being believed to be able to heal are separate tropes or should be under the same trope or split is another matter.
edited 15th Oct '13 3:36:40 AM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett