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- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
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- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
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- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
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It seems like both tropes.
Does it count as White-Collar Crime, specifically insider trading, when a character buys stock in companies that will be affected by a new source of resources that they discovered but haven't made public yet?
Working on The Fallen World
The following example was removed from the Trivia/StellarBlade page for being misuse
Would Lying Creator work better given that the developer did promise the game would be fully uncensored, only to then turn around and issue patches that toned down some of the outfits and removed most of the gore?
Edited by Arawn999 on May 3rd 2024 at 5:39:26 AM
I heard the outfits weren't really altered or were only in the beta? Either way, I think Lying Creator could fit more.
Odd. I found a showing off the differences pre- and post-patch, with the Cybernetic Bondage and Holiday Bunny outfits in particular having been altered.
Animu
I think it's a downplayed example of Bowdlerise, as in contents removed because of the rules of sony. That way the description can be less complainy.
And the reactions and accusations of Executive Meddling are already in the They Changed It, Now It Sucks! entry.
Edited by animuacid on May 4th 2024 at 12:03:11 PM
From Ron Kamonohashi: Deranged Detective:
- Alliterative Name: Eme Emmerich, in the Manga Plus translation at least. According to the cover of Chapter 58, her first name is meant to be "Aimee."
So, apparently the alliteration in the name comes from a mistranslation (even if it's official). Does it still count?
- I'd count it. I guess it's like a video game remake. It was published, we just have to be clear it was changed in later versions. And we did.
Toss in an Inconsistent Spelling wick?
Edited by Malady on May 4th 2024 at 5:56:11 AM
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I'd like to know if this counts for Pro Wrestling Episode, despite the unscripted matches:
- In Myth-O-Mania Book V, Stop That Bull, Theseus!, Hades founds an Underworld Wrestling Federation, and accompanies Theseus to four unscripted wrestling matches — three against murderous bullies terrorizing the Trozen-Athens Road, and one against the Minotaur. All five of those mortals earn UWF contracts.
Everybody, Everybody!
The trope doesn’t mention that the wrestling has to be scripted, and Kayfabe (suspension of disbelief) is a big part of wrestling, so it looks like it counts.
Shadow Ranger
Am I a weirdo?
That's not really a question for this thread (although I'm not sure what thread it belongs in). That being said, Fan Works does make more sense.
Bumping this so it doesn't get forgotten.
In the ep 29 of season 1 of Chaotic, titled “Chaotic Crisis”, the creatures of Perim open portals to Earth to invade and conquer it.
Would that count as a example of Alien Invasion? I ask because the tribes of Perim are a bunch of fantasy races that are never referenced as aliens, but the situation of the episode is pretty much a Alien Invasion.
Fanfic.Catarina Claes Must Die:
- Being Tortured Makes You Evil: The relentless bullying she faced in her past life caused Henrietta to develop some serious mental issues. In her current life, this pushed her to first ignore all evidence that Catarina was not the embodiment of evil she believed her to be, and then eventually to attempt to murder Catarina after the latter kept evading her doom flags.
While it's unclear if Bully Brutality has been engaged in this case, but does bullying count as "torture" in Being Tortured Makes You Evil? It isn't in common parlance, but I don't know about that trope. In the alternative, would Bullied into Depression apply to mental problems with a positive symptom like this? I'm sure cases involving negative symptoms that isn't necessarily depression (such as social withdrawal) count, but in this case, Henrietta developed a case of sadism-like sociopathy.
Scientia et Libertas | Per Aspera ad Astra Nova
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Sounds more like Freudian Excuse.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
A troper recently added this entry to Buster Moon's character folder, on the Sing character page.
- Took a Level in Jerkass: The lengths Buster goes to to be successful in the show business are pretty excessive.
- In the first film, other than stealing electricity and water to maintain his theater, he lies to all the contestants about the prize he is offering to keep them invested in his project. Then, when his inability to maintain his theater backfires leading to its destruction and foreclosure, he puts up his show by force in spite of the bank's protest.
- In the second film he doubles down on his antics, this time for no reason other than his ambition to go bigger. He sneaks into Crystal Entertainment after being told "no" by the receptionist and uses lie upon lie to maintain his partnership with Jimmy Crystal and the production crew. Then, when Jimmy catches up with his plan, cancels everything and is called to explain publicly what happened with his failed show, Buster convinces everyone that they should just hijack Jimmy's enormous theater and put up the show by force just to go against Jimmy's "bullying" and have their hopes and dreams realised. Jimmy trying to kill Buster may have been too much of a reaction, but he still had some pretty good reasons to be outraged.
Took a Level in Jerkass refers to a character becoming more and more of a jerk overtime (either as part of a character arc, or because of Flanderization). In Buster's introductory scenes, he avoids his disgruntled former employees, because he's completely broke and he can't afford to pay them yet, he avoids a representative from the bank who wants to foreclose on his theater for the same reason, and not too long afterwards, he decides to make a promise he's not sure he can actually keep to the people participating in his singing contest out of sheer desperation.
Buster being a guy who's willing to do some pretty shady stuff to accomplish his goals, out of the belief that he can still fix the problem and make good on his word down the line, is established right away and remains a pretty consistent part of his character throughout both films. So Took a Level in Jerkass doesn't really apply to him, if he was already like that right from the start.
The second half of this entry also describes the conflict between Buster and Jimmy in a very strange and biased way. The idea of Jimmy bullying Buster is put in air quotes, as though it's a thing that never happened. Over the course of "Sing 2", Jimmy takes advantage of the size difference between a wolf and a koala to terrify Buster into submission multiple times (and he does this before he finds out Buster lied to him), threatens to kill him as retribution for putting his reputation at risk, tries to make good on that threat by throwing him off the side of a building to die, and sends his employees to hunt down Buster's entire group so he can kill them all. "Bullying" is actually a pretty light description of what Jimmy does
This entry also implies that the audience isn't supposed to side with Buster when the Moon Troupe decide to commandeer Jimmy's hotel for their show, when they're definitely meant to. "Sing 2" runs on a sense of Black-and-Gray Morality where, for all of his faults, Buster is unambiguously portrayed as the lesser of the two evils between him and Jimmy, and the third act is unambiguously portrayed as Jimmy's comeuppance for being an abusive serial killer. Especially since, contrary to popular belief, Jimmy doesn't try to kill the whole gang because of Buster's lie (which he already confronted him about halfway through the movie). Jimmy tries to kill them all because some tabloids spread a false rumor that Buster fired his daughter (who Jimmy doesn't actually care about) from their show, and Jimmy decided they deserved to die for tarnishing his image.
For all of the reasons I just listed, does anyone else think this Took a Level in Jerkass entry is shoehorned in and off the mark? Especially considering there are already several other tropes in Buster's character folder that do a better job of discussing the shadier side of his moral compass and the problems it can cause (like Aesop Amnesia, Anti-Hero, Fatal Flaw, My God, What Have I Done?, Lovable Rogue, A Lighter Shade of Grey and What the Hell, Hero?).
Edited by TheCoolKat1995 on May 5th 2024 at 1:54:57 AM
@Cultured Scholar: Looking over the Alien Invasion page, I say no as there's no examples of pure fantasy as opposed to alien races doing so (without the Alien it's just Invasion). Maybe Interdimensional Invasion is worth making a separate trope.
- YMMV.My Little Pony Rainbow Roadtrip: Sunny Skies and Petunia Petals seem to go right from Ship Tease (albeit a really long one, starting prior to the events of the special) to the marriage proposal, with no relationship in between. Outright admits they had a lot of chemistry as opposed to it coming out of nowhere.
- YMMV.Moring Mark TOH Comics: It takes Ayzee and Milan literally two comics, with the second comic being Milan's second appearance, to easily get together. While later comics show their relationship more, Milan's still a much newer character compared to Jay and Pandora. And even then, the two were already kissing earlier than Luz and Amity in canon. It was Love at First Sight for Ayzee at least, and in-work characters expected it would be like her parents who had to go though a lot to get together showing Ayzee's different such it's wrong to apply the standard. The comic they got together had a massive Lampshade Hanging where they thought this wouldn't be like fiction where they quickly hook up so it was at least self-aware.
Am I right in assuming this only applies if there was significant reason why they shouldn't have fallen for each so quickly?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on May 5th 2024 at 12:08:32 PM
Does it count as Gratuitous French if the character is a native French speaker? Everyone else speaks English and she will sometimes use French sayings or quotes but speaks English most of the time.
Working on The Fallen World
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Those tropes are under discussion right now.
Shocking Gun!
On Characters.Witch On The Holy Night, there is this under Alice's folder:
- Squishy Wizard: Remove her powerful magic abilities from her and Alice is completely vulnerable. Contrast Aoko who is a Kung-Fu Wizard.
I deleted a Writer on Board trope for ssktjl, but they recently added it back. The games pretty infamous for its creative decisions but still that particular entry felt like a presumption on the part of the temper, would it be possible to get a second opinion on it?
A troper made this edit (which also appears to be their first on this site) on the Knock at the Cabin page;
- Straw Character: Redmond attacking the men in the bar, leading some to lie and claim it being something that happens in the real world almost every day.
I deleted it on the grounds that (a) I was fairly certain that this was not a YMMV trope and (b) I was also fairly certain that this was not how the trope was meant to be used. Said troper, later contacted me, disagreeing with my decision and my reasons for removing their edit.
They also deleted this edit from the film's Nightmare Fuel page (the whole thing, by the way, not just the part about things like this being reported to happen almost happen every day in life life);
- In a flashback, Andrew was attacked by Redmond at the bar by being hit in the head with a beer bottle. He survived and was hospitalized. This is something that happens in the real world almost every day, and thus it can hit very close to home for some.
Thoughts? At the very least, if the part about things like this happening almost everyday is indeed debatable, I think the part about the event that occurred in the film should be re-added.
Edited by WiryAiluropodine on May 5th 2024 at 11:43:11 PM
To give an update to my earlier post, another troper has recently changed the Took a Level in Jerkass entry to a The Unfettered entry, in an attempt to have it line up better with Buster's character. I'd argue that it still doesn't really fit him. Being singlemindedly focused on accomplishing his goals is one of Buster's big character flaws, but not to the extreme level where he could actually be considered a sociopath, who would gladly kill people or sacrifice his friends' lives to get what he wants. Not to mention, all of the inaccuracies that I pointed out before about the way Buster's conflict with Jimmy is framed still remain.
Honestly, I think it might be for the best to just cut this entry entirely.
Edited by TheCoolKat1995 on May 7th 2024 at 10:43:53 AM
