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johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
#26: Dec 13th 2012 at 12:37:09 PM

[up]Without looking, presumably some of them will be "cannibals appear but don't capture anyone", which could be moved to Cannibal Tribe; some will be "someone mentions cannibals but we never see them" which can be copied to Cannibal Tribe as a Discussed Trope, but left on CBC as well.

EDIT: Added a couple more examples from CBC to the sandbox. Still wondering whether we really need two separate tropes; leaning towards making Cannibal Tribe a disambig page.

In any case, we're getting sidetracked. First thing is to sort out Cannibal Tribe: crowner.

edited 13th Dec '12 1:08:10 PM by johnnye

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#27: Dec 14th 2012 at 2:23:02 AM

Wait, why is that crowner suggesting to rename this? This trope is being shoehorned into an a inappropriate page. We need to turn this into a trope about literal Cannibal Tribes (or redirect it to an appropriate page) and move off the subgenre to its own page, not keep the genre shoehorned into this page.

edited 14th Dec '12 2:24:20 AM by SeptimusHeap

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johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
#28: Dec 14th 2012 at 5:15:21 AM

What I was thinking is that the first thing to do is come up with a new name for the trope currently described on Cannibal Tribe (i.e., the genre) after which we can decide what to do with the name Cannibal Tribe and its wicks. Apologies if I've gone about it the wrong way.

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#29: Dec 14th 2012 at 3:50:22 PM

[up]We seemed to already have unanimous consensus that the genre needs a new name, and that we're going to be transplanting an actual trope into Cannibal Tribe. A crowner is only really required if there are arguments on both sides. Frankly, I think we should jump straight to the alternative names crowner for the genre.

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#31: Dec 14th 2012 at 11:59:03 PM

You really need to write in the "at issue" box exacty what we're voting on, otherwise people get confused.

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johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
#32: Dec 15th 2012 at 6:45:44 AM

[up]Done. Can you tell I haven't done this before? tongue

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#33: Dec 15th 2012 at 7:51:28 AM

Heh, even people who've done it forget it! tongue

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#34: Dec 15th 2012 at 7:54:39 AM

I downvoted Cannibal Film until I get confirmation that this is a strictly film trope.

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johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
#35: Dec 15th 2012 at 9:13:05 AM

It's even more specific than that, it's a subgenre of Exploitation Film. The broader trope the genre uses is Captured by Cannibals, which is where examples from any other media using a similar setup can go.

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#36: Dec 15th 2012 at 9:15:07 AM

And there is no such thing as Cannibal Book?

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johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
#37: Dec 15th 2012 at 9:26:45 AM

If it fits all the specifications set down on that page (graphic violence, pornographic content, animal abuse etc), I suppose there could be, in the way that there are "Film Noir" books, but nobody seems to have put forward any examples. There was a brief spate of films like this, which seems to have died out, and as far as we know there aren't any books or comics or TV shows that have dredged it up. It seems bizarre to proclaim it to be a wider genre on the basis that one theoretically could ape the style in a graphic novel.

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#38: Dec 16th 2012 at 7:44:53 PM

Just to remind people, Cannibal Film is what The Other Wiki calls it. I think that's a pretty good reason to use the same name. (We'll even be able to put it on the We Are Not Alone Index.)

edited 16th Dec '12 7:45:13 PM by Xtifr

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#39: Dec 17th 2012 at 12:52:50 AM

Supporting Cannibal Film.

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#40: Dec 19th 2012 at 3:14:02 PM

Bump for more votes, although I think the trend is already pretty clear. :)

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#41: Dec 19th 2012 at 5:11:25 PM

Small genre, few votes. But there are no objections at all to the top name, so I don't think calling it would be objectionable.

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#42: Dec 23rd 2012 at 1:37:02 AM

11-0 for the top candidate, and everything else in the red is starting to look pretty convincing!

We shouldn't be waiting on this, though. What's the status of the sandbox for the trope we're going to transplant? Do we still need to go get the examples from Captured by Cannibals that don't involve actual capture? Or was that already done?

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johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
#43: Dec 23rd 2012 at 7:48:43 AM

I think I got them all, someone else might want to double-check though.

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#44: Dec 23rd 2012 at 2:42:04 PM

Ok, what about misuse from the current page? The first post alone mentions several examples that should presumably be added to Sandbox.Cannibal Tribe.

I can jump in and help out if needed, but I'm in the middle of a couple of other things right now.

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johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
#45: Dec 23rd 2012 at 7:52:38 PM

Added a few more examples from the wicks

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#46: Dec 25th 2012 at 9:29:15 AM

Calling crowner:

Sort the wicks accordingly.

edited 25th Dec '12 9:31:55 AM by lu127

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#47: Dec 27th 2012 at 6:33:04 PM

Ok, I did the basic transplant, and set up the indexes properly. Will start going through the wicks probably tomorrow. (Anyone who wants to contribute in the mean time is, of course, welcome to do so.)

eta: also waiting on a mod to move the discussion page.

edited 27th Dec '12 6:34:27 PM by Xtifr

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johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
#48: Dec 28th 2012 at 1:46:43 PM

Changed any references to the movie genre to Cannibal Film and cases of Captured by Cannibals and Cannibal Clan to those tropes.

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#49: Dec 28th 2012 at 3:02:57 PM

Looks good to me. All the wicks I checked seemed correct. Could probably stand to have the examples sorted by medium, and some cross-wicking may be in order, but none of that is within the purview of TRS, so I think we're done here.

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AlternativeTitles: CannibalTribe
14th Dec '12 4:42:42 PM

Crown Description:

Cannibal Tribe is specifically about a genre of exploitation film, but is being heavily misused to refer to any appearance of cannibals.

The first step is to decide on a new name to move the film genre to.

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