Star Trek Into Darkness

I think they did it the way they did to establish the alternate timeline thing. It means all the old Trek stuff still happened, and it influenced the new timeline, created a villain who was great for the purposes of the movie, explained why Starfleet looks so different, brought back Leonard Nimoy and so on. (My computer tries to correct Nimoy to Nimby) If it was a straight reboot, the fans would be annoyed, and if they didn't explain it much everyone else would be extremely confused.

If they had gone way in the future they would have had a similar problem. Going with the characters that pretty much everyone knows of meant that it had the widest possible audience.

edited 3rd Dec '12 10:54:30 PM by Zendervai

Honestly, I think there's a bit too much pre-emptive judgment of this movie based on merely a poster. (Give it until the trailer/9 minute preview at least )

Seriously, while I agree that the first Reboot movie was hardly the most intellectual thing around, but it did what it set out to do: establishing the characters and universe of Reboot!Trek, as well as making the franchise viable again.

Everyone's done a damned good job at keeping the plot under wraps for this film so far, and this point there's literally nothing but speculation about whether there will be some more profound issue at the centre of Into Darkness, or if it will indeed be just a Big Dumb Action Movie (TM). Why not actually get some facts about it before declaring the Franchise Ruined Forever?

^ Because that's not how the internet works.

The poster is unimaginative. Hence one could not be criticized for forming a view that the makers of the film that it is supposed to be making people go and see the thing are as equally unimaginative.

The people making the poster aren't the same people who are making the film.

I'm anticipating that they'll repeat a similar formula to the first reboot film, since it was financially successful. Unfortunately, I really didn't like the first film.

So I guess judging by that poster, Kirk is going to team up with Batman to fight the Reapers?

...if that was the movie that could be inferred from this poster, I would be all over it. Crazy Awesome is always welcome by me.

I think the reason behind a lot of the complaining, myself included, is that the reboot managed to be halfway fun and entertaining besides itself. It got some good critical reviews but even among those reviews many said it was fairly brain-dead along the standards of most Hollywood action movies. Any hints towards a sequel should present itself as something that will rise above the weaknesses of the first movie and so far all the information we are getting is another action/disaster flick.

Well, I am not totally sure everyone was familiar with the characters. Newer fans would know Janeway or Archer(or not, they're seasons were not particularly popular). He's well known among sci fi fans sure, but to me it just reeked of Pandering, a base that you can see is a largely ungrateful one.

Forget the episodes, how many books and movies has Kirk already starred in? How many films did Picard get? Maybe if Sisko got a film, as the only (well received)known lead left not to get any big screen pictures. Maybe if Sisko got it I would not have as much of a gripe but Picard's character bordered on overused, Kirk is bordering on has been of an age gone by. Spock at least is not as much of a boldly coming wolverine publicized Creator's Pet but he's also the definition of civil rights era USA sci fi.

After that who would anyone know? Sulu, Uhura, Bones, Scotty? Doubt many would outside of the aforementioned ungrateful base. Rodimus and Primal were not able to retire Optimus Pime and that is what made Star Trek notable among American science fiction franchises. It moved on. The next generation of fans had Picard, Data and Worf 1990s. The next one after that could have had Sisko, Odo and Dax? Something newer? So many possibilities passed up for the crew from 1964.

Kirk and Spock at least have managed to work their way into the mainstream popular consciousness. Picard, which popular and very good, is not nearly as much of a pop cultural icon. And the TOS era was really the only point in the timeline where they could split it without garbling the timeline anymore than necessary.

edited 4th Dec '12 5:44:35 PM by Zendervai

I still think Sisko should have been in First Contact.

Max: ...Why? Yes, he was at Wolf 359, but he wasn't assimilated.

Yeah, but it still ruined his life.

I think the idea spawned in me from a discussion on SF Debris' comment page where someone was discussing the movie.

But as SF Debris points out, going by the Stardate, the borg made SURE to invade the Federation when Sisko wasn't around. They fear him. As they should. Plus First Contact would've been over in like 20 minutes if Sisko had been there. Dude would've gone down to engineering punching out Borgs on the way to the Queen. He routinely fist fights Jem'Hadars !

edited 5th Dec '12 6:15:31 AM by CobraPrime

So is Sisko a god mod sue then?

I'd say no. He's got his clear limits and shortcomings, like the whole Maquis stuff

But technically he is a god, at least in that he went to live in the wormhole with the Prophets. At least for a while, anyway.

And he's capable of harming other god-like aliens. Like Q, who is not immune to the almighty Sisko fist.

If Sisko was conceived by the Prophets, that probably makes him a Demigod at least.

edited 5th Dec '12 6:41:57 AM by CobraPrime

If I remember correctly, the dominion was run by a group of sufficiently advanced aliens in god guise so Sisko was less God-Mode Sue and more Only the Author Can Save Them Now by way of invincible villain...if I remember correctly.

I wouldn't call the Dominion an Invincible Villain since their loses did amount to something. As for Only the Author Can Save Them Now. Well, depends on how you feel about the Prophets acting during Sacrifice Of Angels...

edited 5th Dec '12 11:38:16 AM by CobraPrime

Not to mention the Dominion was beaten by a bunch of Section 31 losers in black pajamas...

On the other hand, the Dominion in the Alpha Quadrant was only what got through until the UFP mined the wormhole + Cardassia and everything they build and cloned afterwards...and they did give the Federation Alliance their hardest war (excluding Borg attacks) yet.

The Dominion War was essential WW 1 / WW 2 for the Alpha Quadrant.

edited 5th Dec '12 3:07:57 PM by 3of4

Announcement Trailer

Looks good so far.

A longer teaser trailer will come online on December 17.

edited 6th Dec '12 12:12:22 AM by JRPictures

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