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Misused: Arc Words get usage counts

 26 Another Duck, Tue, 4th Sep '12 5:34:53 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Either this, or some kind of prophecy. How is it presented in the book?
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Definitely not a prophecy. It's a fairly experimental and episodic book, and the first time you see this, you think it's just some scenes the author's going to return to later, but by the fourth or fifth time you see it, unchanged, it begins to puzzle you. Finally, of course, he does come back and develop the scenes.

As I say, if it weren't so long, I'd be certain that it fits.

edited 4th Sep '12 1:45:37 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 28 Another Duck, Tue, 4th Sep '12 2:16:42 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Then I'd say it fits. I don't think length is a disqualifying factor. It's just that very few authors use that long phrases as Arc Words.
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Is it actually said/heard by the characters, or is it just repeated in the text?

Note: I'm not necessarily saying Arc Words have to be in-universe, I'm just wondering.

World's Toughest Milkman
[up]Good question! Definitely not quotes. It's there to screw with the reader, not the characters, which might be an important distinction.

There is currently an example from Creatures of Light and Darkness on the trope, which was there before I created a page for the work, but I think it's technically misuse. My example is closer, but I'm still undecided.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 31 lu 127, Fri, 21st Sep '12 9:49:57 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Somehow a post had made it into the crowner...deleted.

If we do the Trope Transplant, what is the misuse we're trying to cover?
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 32 Another Duck, Fri, 21st Sep '12 11:03:57 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
I believe it's Arc Catch Phrase vs Enigmatic Arc Words, though I wasn't involved in the original dicussion.

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 33 Noaqiyeum, Thu, 27th Sep '12 1:33:22 PM from out of the night from pole to pole Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
...is this ready to be called?
We dance around in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
- Robert Frost
[up][up]We already have Sharephrase. I suggest Meaningful Sharephrase to clarify the difference. Edit: Now I see that you did not propose a rename, but my point about the definition still stands.

edited 27th Sep '12 2:18:49 PM by Lophotrochozoa

 35 Noaqiyeum, Thu, 27th Sep '12 2:20:22 PM from out of the night from pole to pole Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
Is Arc Catchphrase what Arc Words is used to mean right now? It's not that intuitive to me.

(Note: Enigmatic Arc Words can also be related to Sigil Spam.)
We dance around in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
- Robert Frost
Ecce Homo Superior
[up]I agree: Arc Catchprase doesn't feel intuitive to me. Whether or not you stick "arc" in front of it, to me "catchphrase" means something that just one character says, and that often doesn't have any kind of deep meaning.
(it's David Bowie)
We still have to define how Arc Words in the new meaning is distinct from Sharephrase.

Ecce Homo Superior
[up]I think there's a clear difference, but it's harder to put in words than I thought. As far as I can tell, Arc Words are a kind of non-musical Leitmotif that sum up the meaning of a work (at least one meaning). Sharephrase doesn't have any such deep meaning.
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Dragon Writer
^ I agree, and that is a very important distinction.
 40 Noaqiyeum, Sun, 11th Nov '12 5:12:27 PM from out of the night from pole to pole Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
Thematic Phrase, perhaps, in that case?

It could be connected to The Hollywood Formula - the dynamic character in that model is the one who articulates the theme to the protagonist, whereas in this case the same articulation recurs independently of that particular conversation.
We dance around in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
- Robert Frost
 41 Another Duck, Sun, 11th Nov '12 5:28:35 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
If a name collects enough misuse for us to transplant the original trope to a different name it's probably a bad idea to change the original name for the new trope it was misused as.
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Yeah, "Arc Words" is a rather catchy title for an arc motif ... just that's not the actual definition on the page.
 43 Noaqiyeum, Sun, 11th Nov '12 8:39:51 PM from out of the night from pole to pole Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
Oops, sorry - I misunderstood the previous two posts. >_<
We dance around in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
- Robert Frost
 44 lu 127, Fri, 7th Dec '12 6:36:07 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
It's a terrible idea to not include what we're redefining the thing into on the crowner. It's just confusing. What would be the redefined tropes?
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代わりに祈りの唄
 45 Noaqiyeum, Fri, 1st Feb '13 3:06:29 PM from out of the night from pole to pole Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
A phrase repeated throughout the work (often in a variety of contexts or situations) with great significance to either the theme or the plot (oftentimes both)?

Such as, for example, "Bump".
We dance around in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
- Robert Frost
 46 Septimus Heap, Fri, 1st Feb '13 3:09:38 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
While that is a good start, we need a longer than laconic description, considering that I can barely expand descriptions.

edited 1st Feb '13 3:09:55 PM by SeptimusHeap

What about "Arc Words" for words that are repeated through an arc, and "Enigmatic Words" for words that are enigmatic?

Explains itself.

 48 Noaqiyeum, Wed, 10th Apr '13 8:41:52 AM from out of the night from pole to pole Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
...are Enigmatic Words tropeworthy?

...are we still arguing about the title? I thought we were moving on to the description.
We dance around in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
- Robert Frost
 49 Willbyr, Thu, 6th Jun '13 4:07:49 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Calling this one in favor of the leading option. Make it so.
Hm, Recurring Phrase for the misuse? That seems to be what it's used for.

Alternative Titles: Arc Words
8th Jun '13 3:28:22 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
At issue:
Previous crowner decided to repurpose Arc Words into the literal meaning it was misused for and to transplant the current trope to a new name. This crowner is for deciding which name to use for the current trope.
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