It's the incredibly stupid notion that True Art Is Angsty. Yes, a story will need a little drama to be exciting but comic books for some time now have been suffering this, taking the less idealistic root, which was for a time, "different." Then, like many other things that are "different" people start Following The Leader to try and get more popular, making what felt original... not. If an Indy comic came out and it was all Ham and Cheese like the Golden Age then that would probably get really popular, and then everyone would start going that route as well.
For example, it's my personal that when people who grew up with Wally West rather then Barry grab the reigns of the comic industry, they'll get rid of Barry, put Wally in the spotlight, only for the readers who have since gotten used to Barry to miss his character, and then rinse and repeat with Barry and Wally swapping places again and again and again, etc.
edited 9th Dec '14 7:09:44 PM by chloelee12
It's probably going to be the same with Spider-Man and MJ. Once people that grew up with comics from the Wedding Special to OMD and with the Rami movies get the reigns they are going reverse OMD so fast it's not even funny.
If it lasts long enough to become the new normal, I can see Wonder Woman/Superman and Lois Lane/Clark Kent switching back and forth from now on.
In short: It's a vicious cycle that will never end.
Dakota's blog An odd agent of justiceExactly. It's one of the big problems I feel the comic industry has.
End of Mouth Hole a callback to Robin scene in dreams?
"Show us the Galaxy Warp."All the Bizarro Speak confusion gags reminds me of that arc in the Harley Quinn comic where Bizarro drops in on one of her and Poison Ivy's schemes, and the whole thing goes belly up because Ivy couldn't get the gist of how backwards speak works.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.Shouldn't Erifrats have been eloquent?
Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.My head canon was that TTG was the Bizarro complements to TT.
"Show us the Galaxy Warp."I just have to say this, these Teen Titans are a bunch of jerks who should not be a team at all. They have no respect for each other, they treat each other like dirt without thinking much of it, and they don't do anything, it's wonder they haven't got taken out by now. Robin is the only one of them who actually tries to do what the team is supposed to be doing; fighting crime and staying in shape to do so.
I can't help but wonder what would happen if this show actually crossed over with the original show. So far, i'd imagine the following happening-
OS Beast Boy and Cyborg would be annoyed and insulted by their counterparts' behaviour and even go as far as to say that they are embarrassed to even share their names with them.
TTG Robin would wear on Os Robin's nerves, since the latter is actually pretty level-headed most of the time.
The TTG Titans would be a little bit surprised that their OS counterparts actually respect their Robin's leadership and even try to convince them not to for whatever reason, to no avail, of course.
TTG Starfire is a little bit unsettled by how close her counterpart is with OS Robin and how open they are with their feelings.
... and before anyone jumps with the usual 'But it's a comedy!' defense, even a superhero comedy should still be a superhero story, because otherwise, what's the point? The Tick, Darkwing Duck, Mighty Mouse, Underdog, El Chapulin Colorado, etc., all actually try being heroes more than the Go Titans usually do, and their stories still work out fine regardless.
All of shows those have entirely different styles of humor. A series isn't obligated to have the same kind of humor as a totally different series, just because they're in a similar genre.
edited 28th Jan '15 5:23:36 PM by KnownUnknown
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.A style of humor that depends on everyone being horrible people isn't the best suited for an actual superhero piece, although a Lobo GO! series is something I'd sell a kidney for.
I can enjoy most GO! stories on a sporadic basis, but the thing is the sociopathy runs grating and stale when it's seen too often, and then you start to see the comedic needs of the style force the characters' cores to change so much it almost beats the point of making a series about them in the first place.
It isn't exactly uncommon. Both inside and outside the superhero genre, the basic idea of "a typically heroic genre, with the joke/spin being that everyone is a jackass" is practically a staple these days. It's also far from the first time DC's done a self parody along those lines.
Remember that TTG isn't an "actual superhero piece." It's a parody. The humor actually reminds me of how typical Abridged Series tend to be written, except of course that the humor is much less overtly adult.
Whether their actual jokes work is a separate question (I feel like TTG's humor is hit or miss, that they overexaggerate their humor and repeat the same jokes - the problem isn't necessarily that everyone is a jackass, the problem is that they overuse the joke so much that it becomes difficult to care about the humor), but the show's concept is sound and it is apparently successful.
edited 28th Jan '15 10:31:02 PM by KnownUnknown
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.Moving on from the "NOT MUH TITANS!" whingers... Smile Bones. That episode sure did happen.
I get the distinct impression some of it was written and/or storyboarded with one hand. And I love it.
edited 6th Feb '15 8:50:28 AM by Bonerfart
Moving on from the "NOT MUH TITANS!" whingers
While I liked the original show, I didn't particularly care a freaking lot for it either. I wouldn't have minded GO! at all if it had been more like the DC Nation shorts, but my thoughts it goes too overboard with the sociopathy have nothing to do with the original series. I hate how this has become such an easy 'get out of jail pass' defense against the show's criticism.
I reminded of a past episode where Raven had a big belly that somehow had a face on it. I wonder if that's what the writers got their inspiration from for this episode.
With a '0', not an 'O'I think all episodes within this show have that same inspiration.
This is why Sonic Boom is a better spin-off, non-continuation show, because the heroes aren't slouches for the sake of slouching, but because no one is in danger yet, and they always win. I'd really like a cross over of them and TTG to teach these "heroes" a thing or two.
"We be we baby!"This is what I was complaining about in that deleted post. You fucking people can't seem to wrap your heads around the thought that gee, maybe the Titans being tools is meant to be part of the comedy?
I'm all for Jerkass Humor as long as there's actual consistency. Characterization in this show changes on a whim of the writer.
Are we watching the same show? Because in the one I'm watching, the characters all have pretty Goddamn consistent traits.
I can't help but picture the possibility of how the second season finale will finally have Robin snap, call the others out on their crud from past episodes, and hastily decides that someone or something out there is actually making him the Titans' chew toy.
He scours the Earth and beyond where eventually he comes to realize that he is right and finds out that the mastermind who's been making his life hell is none other than...
Bat-Mite, who introduces him to the fourth wall and tells him of how Robin's suffering is what reels in the ratings (yeah IIRC, TTG is one of CN's highest-rated shows nowadays). In the end, Bat-Mite gives Robin an ultimatum. Tough it out for the sake of ratings, or potentially ruin the show by altering the universe and have better chemistry and characterization). After a flashback of the worst times the Titans had belittled him, he decides on the latter and forces Bat-Mite to change the universe. Robin finds himself back in the Tower where the Titans are showing genuine, honest-to-God concern and respect for their leader, when the crime alert goes off and Robin sees that everything is awesome now.
EDIT:And to score a Gainax Ending, it could show a black screen with the white text saying "In Reality..." and show whoever writes the majority of the episodes working on a new episode, when someone pokes his/her head in the writer(s) office to say "You're fired." And the writer(s) do a Double Take with an Oh, Crap! face.
And maybe if they wanted it to end on a Black Comedy note, someone else shows up and says "Your doctor called. You've been tested positive for cancer. You've got 3 or 4 months to live. Sorry."
edited 6th Feb '15 8:47:53 PM by TargetmasterJoe
You fucking people
Trying to hide rudeness under a movie quote doesn't make it any less rude. Do it again and I report you.
can't seem to wrap your heads around the thought that gee, maybe the Titans being tools is meant to be part of the comedy?
Of course we do, we aren't idiots. Then again, something being clearly comedy doesn't automatically good comedy.
I really don't get why every super team even needs to be moody nowadays. What happened to the old golden age superheroes that were more lighthearted and still kick ass?
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