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- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
The reason listed for Pyrrhic Victory is "Edit war which had the real life section cut."
[Redacted for stupidity]
edited 2nd Aug '13 6:20:36 AM by Sixthhokage1
Well, this is TV Tropes not Chernobyl so "Not pre-empting a problem immediately" is not going to cause the landscape to become an uninhabitable wasteland for millenia to come. Amd I question whether "likely" is accurate there.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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edited 2nd Aug '13 6:20:48 AM by Sixthhokage1
No, you should not stay out of it. You should participate and contribution to conversation. TV Tropes needs active editors that want to help.
What ALL of us should be doing though, is reading trope defintions very closely before having these conversations.
To wit, with emphasis added.
Hopeless War: It's either the near future, the far future, or even the present, where there's a hopeless bleak war being fought between human and some non-human enemy—be it sentient robots, mythical creatures, subterranean Mutants, or alien invaders—or other humans. In any case the humans are fighting a hopeless battle, where even a major victory is just a hollow one. The human population has been reduced to small numbers because of this endless war. In some cases the war could even be a stalemate for the two opposing factions resulting in severe casualties on both sides.
Given that there are no Real Life examples of sentient robots, mythical creatures, or subterranean Mutans, and given that the human population has not at any point in history been reduced to small numbers because of said endless war, the current examples in the Real Life section must be cut because none of the examples actually apply the the trope.
Also, until such point in our history where we discover aliens, mutants or mythical beings, it is impossible to have such a war, therefore Real Life examples should be banned pending First Contact with such beings, which I kinda doubt is going to happen anytime soon.
edited 2nd Aug '13 6:18:37 AM by Catbert
@Sixth: You know, I was just using a metaphor that came to mind.
That said, Catbert's argument seems convincing to me.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
If we decide to cut the Real Life examples for Hopeless War, we also need to trim the Quotes page, because there is a Real Life section marked as such on the Quotes.Hopeless War page. First time I've ever seen that!
edited 2nd Aug '13 6:31:42 AM by Catbert
Port that over to Vietnam War.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Good idea. Just did so.
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Lost in Space
The whole thing feels like a tacked on qualifier. Why arbitrarily restrict the trope to fights against nonhumans?
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I suspect because the trope creator didn't think that it's possible for a human-to-human war to be a "hopeless war". I do not agree with that and propose to cull that qualifier.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Yeah. Also, in that case, that trope doesn't need NRELP, because it seems to be possible IRL, and as far as I see it didn't attract misuse/natter/flames/edit wars/what-have-you.
The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
There's a Trope Repair Shop thread about Hopeless War.
I propose to move the redefinition discussion over there. Once it's completed, we can revisit the RL section.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Lost in Space
Definitely take it there, then.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
"In distress", my ass.
If consideration of Hopeless War's RL section is on hold, perhaps the crowner entry should be removed or otherwise made unavailable (say, with a "never mind" edit or somesuch) until the TRS thread is resolved?
Leaving the votes as-is wouldn't be fair if the trope is changed from its current state as a result of the TRS thread, it seems to me.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
I have rewritten it to make it clear that we are no longer voting on it.
I also think that whether or not to keep the Real Life section is something that can be resolved as part of the TRS thread, once we figure out how we want to define it.
Wide Eyed Wonderman
For that matter, should the RL section on Pyrrhic Victory be restored? Its been a while since the edit war occured.
David Bowie 1947-2016
Who made the call to ax it? If it was a staff member, we'd have to ask them.
That is one of the tropes where I think a "No real life examples newer than 75 years" rule should apply. I don't want people getting all heated up about Viet Nam, the various Iraq Wars, War on Terror etc, but I don't see much harm in discussing classical Roman battles.
Oberoniss did cut the RL section more than two years ago, because it was nattery. Someone named Mystic Kenji made it NRLEP the following day, with no discussion link.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Would Be Rude to Say "Genocide" lists many previous genocides and its denial, a sensitive subject. A recent edit added something provoking and someone suggested making that trope free of a real life section.
"In distress", my ass.
Hmm. Setting aside fixing the bad Example Indentation, I'm not entirely sure that there is need for Would Be Rude to Say "Genocide" to be NRLEP. It's not discussing a pleasant subject, no, but for the most part the note at the end of the description seems to be filtering out the worst of the problems, the questionable edit in question aside.
edited 2nd Aug '13 4:37:47 PM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Okay. Just mentioning that someone proposed this.
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Why is Pyrrhic Victory a [noreallife] trope? I think it's fairly applicable IRL; after all, it's named after a particular person...
edited 2nd Aug '13 1:52:24 AM by desdendelle
The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground