The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

Most of it is stuff that was behind the curtain, and is absolutely fine.

@Morven: That is of course perfectly true. Yet the courts are not known to change opinions in a matter of days. To decide to go against precedent is usually a product of development over a much longer period of time, and is usually the result of a change in general opinion and overall perception of what is deemed morally and sociably correct or reprehensible among the populace. Not simply due to a change of perception on a day-to-day basis within the courts themselves.

But then of course, the court metaphor does not work in this case because of the great difference when it certain very important key principles.

The important thing here is that the 5P's guidelines should not be seen as swaying back and forth when the Panel is in the process of discussing works. It could possibly lead to speculation and debate over issues decided upon before and after a certain shift in the guidelines.

But keep in mind that this of course is a subjective opinion, as the Panel stands as I understand it entirely free to define the guidelines as they deem most appropriate. I am simply stating how it may be perceived from the outside when there are sudden great changes in the Panel's guidelines.

I agree that consistency is a good goal to have and we should have it as much as we can — I just don't think that I'd prioritize it above the 5P council learning their jobs or the site owner/mods defining the scope of that task better as we consider it further.

Of course, were this not the Internet, we'd probably discuss it over six months before doing anything, but then we'd probably blank everything questionable until we decided for sure, too. Online patience is not up to that kind of timeframe, I think — we tend to prefer quick and evolving processes to ponderous ones, I've generally observed.

Okay, so what exactly has changed between the FECc guidelines and the current version? I'm getting the feeling that it might have been simply a rephrasing of the FECc guidelines into non-bulleted format without actual change in the meaning.

edited 27th Apr '12 4:19:55 AM by MarqFJA

I'm not certain, but I looked up the cached version of the page, which was last edited on 21st, and compared it with the current revision (25th).

It looks like the main addition was the prima facie exemption, but the post wordings were also edited here and there.

Most notably, the following was either removed or incorporated into the actual text as proper sentences, though I do not see it anywhere.

The "up skirts image" sounds suspiciously like cutting everything at with a Panty Shot of a teenager. If that is the case, we need to add at lot of fanservice heavy works like "Hayate Combat Butler'' back to the review like list that the mods have already rejected as being trolling suggestions.

Say goodbye to half our Shounen anime work pages...

What? You're right. We don't have specific points anymore.

self-thump

Mods/admin/whoever? Can we have the "Chaos" articles taken off the recommend tool? Someone's been trolling again and not very cleverly.

edited 27th Apr '12 5:40:38 AM by Ramidel

The upskirt thing is new, when I C&Ped the list yesterday morning my time it wasn't there.

Never mind. I'll just pm a different mod.

edited 27th Apr '12 6:32:51 AM by Arha

Technically, it's no longer there anymore; it was "new" when we discovered it around one or two weeks ago, though.

Huh, the queue got a lot smaller. Can anyone update the Decisions and Announcements thread to show what was decided?

edited 27th Apr '12 8:32:41 AM by encrypted12345

Nothing was actually decided. Fast Eddie purged most of the old content from the voting tool because of the trolling and put up precautions against frivolous flagging. You'll have to resubmit problematic works, I'm afraid.

As a quick question, can we submit cut pages in hopes that they may be restored?

Okay, thanks.

edited 27th Apr '12 8:44:00 AM by encrypted12345

I think requests to review cut pages still go here.

Okay, did a pass over the H-Game and Visual Novel indices. Most of the objectionable stuff should be back up there.

Monster Girl Quest is Porn with Plot and I find the censored version quite enjoyable.

Guess how I found out about it? TV Tropes.

Same as with Saya No Uta.

Keep it up and all the Porn with Plot will be gone. So what if you don't like it. Other people do.

Sexual horror is just as valid as any other type of horror. That's what made Alien so terrifying.

Never mind, got my answer

edited 27th Apr '12 9:07:23 AM by HersheleOstropoler

I think you're looking for Pages Pending For Perusal By P 5.

^^ Here you go.

^ There's also this, but not all those pages have been flagged.

By the way, while Sengoku Rance has been tagged I'd like to suggest that that be one of the topics we open a thread for. It's in a fairly gray area. No pedophile pandering, but it has a lot of Black Comedy Rape and in general treats rape as though it's not a damaging issue.

edited 27th Apr '12 9:15:46 AM by Arha

Sorry, posted that while running out the door.

Gonna try to move it from my mobile, but idk if that's gonna work.

Edit: No dice.

However, I'd like to make a general statement about all this hate on "disgusting sexual horror." If that's gonna be banned, then go after the Alien movies. Quite a bit of non-consentual oral sex there and in the first film, one character is raped by a very phallic tail. And that HR Giger fellow is a well known porn artist. Gotta go too.

I'm just sayin'. Same thing, so it's gotta go. That is unless all this "standards" talk is just empty rationalization for a purge of everything a select few don't like. No attempt to understand the story or characters or intent, just purge purge purge.

edited 27th Apr '12 9:28:47 AM by SgtHydra

True, there is Rape as Drama, but it's by the villains, and it's fairly grotesque. While it makes Rance look good in comparison, the actions he takes still scar a lot of women's lives and the game makes fun of it. People may call Rance out on it, but they usually tolerate it abnormally well.

But Rape as Comedy is not a reason to cut, is it?