Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki

So, would the above also apply to this example that I found on the Anime and Manga subpage:

• AKIRA:
  • "Good Dub" - The 2001 Pioneer / Animaze Dub.
  • "Bad Dub" - The 1989 Streamline Dub

Edited by fragglelover on May 12th 2024 at 1:55:02 PM

Trivia.Atelier Meruru The Apprentice Of Arland has this (bolded)

• Author's Saving Throw: The implication that Rorona would be better off stuck as a barely-coherent kid with scrambled memories than being a woman in her thirties led to so much backlash that Plus added a heavily-advertised new ending "in response to fan demand in order to make it a highly satisfying and properly resolved story"^note (or in other words: because the original game left-as is would not be as highly satisfying or properly resolved according to fans) depicting everyone working together to get her back to normal. On top of the ending being titled "About Time" ("I've Kept You Waiting" in Japanese) and given Golden Ending treatment via gameplay mechanics, Gust went as far as retroactively patching the ending back into the Japanese PS3 version as well in response to fan pressure (something that never happened with any other Updated Re-release content) while outright calling it the true ending. DX adds two events that confirm it to be the canon ending, since they go out of their way to make sure you know Rorona is an adult right now.

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There's this little tidbit found on the note for "It's my IP to sit on and do nothing with" on Memes.Smiling Friends.

From "Gwimbly: Definitive Remastered Enhanced Extended Edition DX 4K (Anniversary Director’s Cut)", the scene where Pim and Alan drags Gwimbly out of the CEO's office after declaring he'll make his own indie title had the CEO say this in response once they leave. This immediately resonated with many fans of Cult Classics who are tired of seeing games go unappreciated or screwed over by their rights holders, especially the ones owned by Bandai Namco Entertainment (who has a massively infamous history of ignoring their legacy titles). And on top of that, this meme blew up immensely just a little over a week after the episode's release, in retaliation to Sean S. Cunningham's company Horror Inc. suing a group of people wanting to revive the defunct Friday The 13th videogame as a free mod.

While most of this is okay, the tidbit surrounding Bandai Namco and Friday the 13th The Video Game just seems like unnecessary potshots, as they have nothing to do with the meme outside of being cases where companies screw over fan projects and neglect their titles, which isn't that noteworthy in of itself (at least, not enough for them to be mentioned specifically), as they're far from the only companies guilty of such a practice (unfortunately).

Also, I've looked into the FT13th thing and I've seen nothing in relation to the meme being used or blowing up in response, and given that it happened only a week after the episode aired, when it was still hot, the meme blowing up around the same time it happened seems more like a unrelated but unfortunate coincidence than anything else.

Edited by Tylerbear12 on May 14th 2024 at 2:38:06 PM

Remove it.

Avatar by Butterscotch Arts. Used under license.

I agree with removing that note. On top of being complaining, it's awkward to have to click on something within a paragraph and really the preceding sentence makes it clear anyway.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.

Fanfic.Deserving is full of complaining, a lot of the examples are commented out, and the ones that aren't don't have alot of context either.

Should we cut it like The Last War?

For the record this is the post which trigged the discussion to cut the page:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13327578050A72722200&page=504#comment-12582

Edited by randomtroper89 on May 14th 2024 at 4:51:37 AM

The Baby-Sitters Club has a lot of Dawn bashing for some reason, especially under entries like Arc, Bratty Teenage Daughter (which seems like an Informed Wrongness entry in disguise), and Good Stepmother. There's also some complaining in the YMMV page, especially some Alternative Character Interpretation entries like the Claudia and Mean Janine one, which is pretty low context.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Those very much can be cut or at least rewritten. EDIT: on reflection, the Bratty Teenage Daughter example can definitely go - Dawn is far from the only BSC member to act up against her parents or relatives, so it's definitely character bashing. The Scrappy example can also be cut - up until Dawn Saves The Planet, her actions weren't any more egregious than any other characters.

Edited by fireheart on May 15th 2024 at 10:19:42 AM

I'd keep The Scrappy if there's evidence the fandom genuinely does hate her this much, but I'm not super familiar with the BSC or its fandom (I just read the graphic novels and spinoffs as a kid). Given the tone of the other entries I do suspect there's some bias from members of so-called "snark" communities.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

The Punisher (2022) page is largely edited by one guy who seems to thoroughly despise the comic. The page already went up on this threat once last year, and i think the problem's only gotten worse.

EDIT: It's the same for even the main page.

Edited by bigbossdiego on May 16th 2024 at 10:25:26 AM

Eat bread, make sandwiches, know what I'm saying?

Wow, a lot of that is very bad, just in terms of facts.

The Informed Wrongness entry states that it is an "if" whether or not the Punisher had any selfish motives, and states that really, he was actually trying to make a better society.

If you've read basically...any Punisher comic, you know that's completely false. Like, the most famous, best regarded Punisher stories don't even attempt to portray the Punisher as some sort of crusader against society's ills.

Edited by ArthurEld on May 16th 2024 at 8:51:20 AM

on the BSC front, there is definitely a bias from the snark communities given the number of entries that mention it or read that way. I was someone who read the series a LOT as a kid and I've seen the snark communities as an adult so I am familiar with both sides. The series as a whole is definitely a product of its time and hasn't aged very well which is likely where some of the snark has come from. I'd argue that some of the biased examples can be rewritten to tone down the bashing if they still fit the trope or if the point is one that the actual fanbase can agree with (some of the values dissonance examples are accurate) Do you think this one may merit its own thread?

Edited by fireheart on May 16th 2024 at 11:18:38 AM

Maybe a short-term cleanup, but I'm not super familiar with the series so all I can do is recognize when things seem too negative.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Two and a Half Men:

• Overshadowed by Controversy: For its first eight seasons it was seen as a fairly standard-issue sitcom — albeit one with an unusually high proportion of jerkasses among its characters — but nowadays it's virtually impossible to discuss the show without talking about Charlie Sheen's (and, to a lesser extent, Angus T. Jones') Creator Breakdown and subsequent exit.

Is the bolded section really necessary? It just seems like complaining.

Nope, torch with extreme prejudice.

Also that person would never be able to handle Seinfeld or It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia if that's considered "unusually high".

Came for the tropes, stayed for the cleanup.

YMMV.Silent Hill Ascension

• Narm:
  • The concept of Audience Participation would've been interesting.. if it didn't mean the audience could influence the most random of potential outcomes into happening. The result is that entire plot lines come and go without explanation or completion, the random Avatar cameos often became a Big-Lipped Alligator Moment, and seemingly major characters will just abruptly die because the worst possible option got picked, only to get replaced and either continue the plot or completely move onto something else like nothing prior mattered.
  • Whether due to voice direction, or some sort of unconfirmed text to speech setup, virtually every character is absolutely wooden or a Large Ham in overdoing their lines, with no real in-between. Many characters came off as just uninterested in anything happening around them as a result.

This game has strange and unintentionally funny scenes, but I find this too general, complaining, and it does not list specific examples. Keep or cut?

This entry in Same Character, But Different is such a trash fire I wouldn’t know how to fix it, or if it should even stay given Teenage Kevin has gone through severe Character Perception Evolution since Alien Force premiered:

• Ben 10
  • Kevin in the original series was an Enfant Terrible with extra terrible, being frighteningly murderous. In some ways he was more evil than even some season Big Bads: A Take Over the World type will kill you because you're in the way; Kevin will kill you just because he can. In Ben 10: Alien Force and Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, he's reintroduced as a criminal of the more "out to make a dishonest buck" type and quickly makes a Heel–Face Turn after falling in Love at First Sight (well, first sight in the new series) with Gwen. His powers have gone from energy absorption to the ability to transform into any material he touches. When his past was discussed, it was softened considerably - apparently, viewers were supposed to believe he'd always been the mostly harmless ne'er-do-well he'd been in the first ten minutes of Alien Force. It should tell you something when The Dreaded Big Bad Vilgax, once described as "Darth Vader without the sense of humor," turned out to actually care about his people and is a Universally Beloved Leader back home and it wasn't considered to be nearly the same level of derailment as Kevin's change. Some of his behavior can be attributed to the five-year Time Skip, but certain changes like his lack of sociopathy and rather abrupt Heel–Face Turn struck a sizable chunk of the fanbase as ham-fisted. It took until Ultimate Alien before any explanation was given for how Kevin became sane - it was still being demanded at that point because even after years of this new characterization, Saint Kevin was just too big a horse pill for fans to swallow. In all fairness the writers did have an explanation in mind they would have used in the third season of Alien Force, but thanks to Executive Meddling it was scrapped and they ended up having to incorporate it into the sequel series instead.
  • It's to the point that Ben and Gwen giving Kevin a chance needed every bit as much explaining away because it's just that unthinkable after what he'd been like. After a time travel episode that Original Series Ben wasn't supposed to remember once he'd returned to the past, Professor Paradox explained that he'd remember it very faintly, maybe just enough to consider the idea of Kevin becoming good when meeting him again. Omniverse took it farther, establishing that the gang had met the criminal-but-not-psychotic version of Kevin between the original series and AF/UA, though this serves as another Series Continuity Error on Omniverse's part since it was already established that Ben and Gwen hadn't seen Kevin since he was locked in the Null Void. Yes, it actually took years to make the new Kevin make sense, and more years to make Ben and Gwen entertaining the idea that Kevin could be in their midst and not kill them for fun make sense! That's how you know you've fallen into this trope big-time. ^note (For the record, if you care, the reason given for his change was that his powers can absorb matter or energy, but storing energy drives him insane. He learned to rid himself of that energy between series, and has stuck to a matter-only diet since then.)

By definition, Narm is for specific moments, and both entries are far from specific. They can be cut for that reason alone.

It's so tempting to just burn that down like a car exploding down a hill in a Televisa soap Opera...

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Chuck Lorre:

• Take That!: One of Lorre's less savory traits is the fact that, if someone he worked with previously ended up having some form of disagreement with him, odds are he'll take a shot at him in one of his other works, and the man really won't let go of his grudges. Notably, after Charlie Sheen was fired from Two and a Half Men, Lorre retroactively had Sheen's character turned from a Jerk with a Heart of Gold into a Jerk with a Heart of Jerk, while the jokes at Sheen's expense got progressively more mean-spirited. This kept up all the way until the series finale, which aired a full four years after Sheen's departure. To add insult to injury, he even mocked Sheen in the finale's post-episode vanity card.

Maybe the example is valid, but as written it comes off as a personal attack.

Edited by SharkToast on May 21st 2024 at 7:36:39 AM

Terminate with extreme fucking prejudice.

Came for the tropes, stayed for the cleanup.

Cut it.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread

The X-Pac Heat section for Nia Jax feels overly condemning. Suggesting "she knows she's an unsafe worker and refuses to adjust her approach" sounds excessively judgemental and not true, seeing as a news article I read recently says that she's apologised to the performers she's hurt, and that number is not actually as large as exaggerated accounts suggest. And given Nia's entry for Rescued from the Scrappy Heap in her own YMMV page, I think it's fair to say she's improved her act and her fan-hatred is not universal anymore.

Edited by Sammael29 on May 22nd 2024 at 7:43:26 AM

Found this on YMMV.Dead Boy Detectives 2024:

• Wangst: While Crystal is still a tragic character since her ex-boyfriend stalks her and most of her memories are stolen a good portion of viewers find it difficult to tolerate the ridiculous amount of times that she laments her situation, especially when compared to the much worse stories of other characters. This caused that after a while when Crystal's problems are mentioned one tends to start thinking "Ah shit, here we go again..."

I think for the most part the entry is fine but the part I highlighted strikes me as unnecessary to me beyond complaining.

Edited by Bullman on May 22nd 2024 at 8:48:31 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread

VideoGame.Neptunia has reception throughout the work description.

Edited by Riolugirl on May 23rd 2024 at 9:03:20 AM

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