Needs Help: Innocent Fanservice Girl

Ok then, that setup sounds like it'll work well enough. There should be plenty of overlap, but that's not a problem most of the time.

I hate to bump this in the midst of all this chaos, but would these tropes count as unacceptable via the new policy? They are fanservice laiden but technically cover nonsexual nudity, so I feel they're a grey area.

I was going to work on splitting the pages now that it appears we have consensus, but if one or more of them are simply going to be cutlisted I feel my efforts would be better spent elsewhere.

These tropes are not inherently pornographic and as such should be fine to retain.

Woo. I will continue work on splitting them in the Sandbox entries then. Thanks, Fighteer!

What's left to be done here?

And again: what's left to do here?

Here

Seems that somebody needs to go over these sandboxes to check if they work, then we need to decide what to do with the pages.

I'm not sure about the way Sandbox.Casual Nudity singles out America as having "one of the more restrictive viewpoints". Granted, it's fairly puritanical compared to most of Europe or Japan, but there are plenty of other parts of the world (the Middle East, and, to a lesser extent, India, for example) that easily match or exceed America's limited views in this respect.

Overall, I'd prefer shorter and more to-the-point articles, but not enough to actively object, if nobody's volunteering to trim these down.

About Innocent Fanservice Girl:

What's the difference between "characters who are oblivious as to the fetishistic or fancervicey potential of their actions" "characters providing fanservice without realizing they are doing so" ?

EDIT: Lemme think... first one is "I'm naked, so what?", and the second one is "Aren't I covered up... SH*T THE CLOTH FELL OFF!". But I'm pretty sure the 2nd one is not covered by this thread... This post didn't help.

Also, should Innocent Fanservice Girl be restricted to nudity, or can it be extended to, say, someone who is unaware that their large breasts are turning men around them on?

edited 12th Jul '12 7:00:39 AM by goto124

I think that example would count as long as her reasons for doing so fit the usual description (so a guy who's unexpectedly undergone phlebotinum-assisted sex change and isn't used to having to cover hir chest doesn't).

An ENF example like that "towel fell off" one would usually count as a Wardrobe Malfunction rather than either of these.

I tend to agree with Xtfir on the notes on the US - it's certainly not one of the most restrictive places about nudity, just more restrictive than many places in Europe.

Are there any other objections to the sandboxes as written?

Both look fine to me.

Sandbox.No Nudity Taboo

Sandbox.Casual Nudity

edited 16th Sep '12 12:46:16 PM by captainpat

Wall of Text is my main objection. Analysis belongs on the analysis page. But that's something we can deal with later if needs must.

So, has any of this been implemented? I'm a little confused.

Also, do we have a trope for what Shameless Fanservice Girl was being misinterpreted to mean, i.e. deliberate exhibitionism? If not, it seems like it'd make sense to just make it mean that, rather than cutting it.

edited 14th Oct '12 3:36:45 AM by johnnye

What's stopping us from implementing the sandboxes above? Do we need a crowner?

Also, is Casual Nudity flexible enough to cover "Casual Skimpiness"/"Casual Shamelessness" — that is, the character's outfit is inappropiately skimpy (e.g. more comparable to underwear than to actual outerwear), but they are neither oblivious to its fanservicey/fetishistic effect nor are they deliberately trying to titilate anyone, for the same reasons that Casual Nudity relies on, and otherwise operate in the same manner as Casual Nudity?

edited 6th Jan '13 6:43:21 AM by MarqFJA

Bump.

I think we can just launch the sandboxes.

I am not sure if we wanted to split the trope tagged or just move over the examples that fit other tropes better.

Anything regarding ?

Clocking.

We just need to approve the sandboxes here, and decide on whether Casual Shamelessness merits inclusion (maybe as a Downplayed Trope variant) or a separate trope altogether.

Nobody has objected to launching the sandboxes, and it's been a month or so. Go ahead and launch them.

I don't think we need to make a new page for Casual Skimpy - already well covered by Casual Nudity.

Sandbox.Casual Nudity starts with Example As Thesis; I think the first two paragraphs can go. Better to start with the actual description of the trope.

I still think both sandboxes could use some trimming, too. Surely it doesn't take that many words to describe what is a pair of fairly straightforward tropes.

I agree that there's no need for Casual Skimpy. Tropes Are Flexible.

edited 9th Feb '13 9:48:13 AM by Xtifr

Cut the Example as a Thesis.

So Casual Skimpiness / Casual Shamelessness is Casual Nudity downplayed, and should be redirected to that trope, then? Works for me.

edited 9th Feb '13 2:39:06 PM by MarqFJA

'Xactly that.