Needs Help: This Index Is Full Of Perverts

I left the reason box blank, because this thing is a mess overall. The name implies it's an index of perverts, and likely related tropes. Even the description claimed it was that (although I tweaked it, since it effectively made it a stub). The actual tropes listed, on the other hand, are all over the place, with stuff barely about perversion, just openly sexual, horny, or simply not being prudish.

I know what is "perverse" can be subjective, but how would Extroverted Nerd or Florence Nightingale Effect fit this?

It seems people are interpreting this index to be "find a perverted interpretation of this trope and stick it on here" Just for Fun page.

Suggest either cutting out all tropes not about perverts (as characters, not things that are perverted) specifically, or cutting it altogether if there aren't enough of those to make an index.

edited 3rd Mar '12 6:58:22 AM by ccoa

I say limit it to tropes related to activities of questionable legality, like the Panty Thief, groping women on subway, etc.

edited 3rd Mar '12 7:18:04 AM by Catbert

I think someone put Florence Nightengale Effect there, imagining someone keeping an unconscious person and lusting after them. Which is creepy, but a a different trope.

Really, "related to perverts" is a bad basis for an index. What's a pervert? According to the index, it's everything from "attracted to plus-size women" to "molests children." An index specifically about deviant sex would be clearer, if we could get one together. A list of lecherous character types would be better still.

"I think someone put Florence Nightengale Effect there, imagining someone keeping an unconscious person and lusting after them. Which is creepy, but a a different trope."

Actually, that fits Dude, She's Like in a Coma better (although I'm not sure that one fits this index either).

"A list of lecherous character types would be better still."

Including tropes about things closely related to them (like plot points that happen because of a pervert).

I worry that opening it up to tropes related to perverts might lead to it decaying again.

"related" means something has to do with a pervert. If a trope doesn't require a pervert is involved somehow, it wouldn't count.

But wasn't the ambiguity of "has to do with a pervert" the whole reason you opened the thread? Every trope in the index has to do with a pervert, according to the person who put it there.

I mean the core definition requires a pervert be involved somehow. Those justifications are "a pervert might be an example", which is not a valid reason.

^For what it's worth, the name as it stands ("Full of perverts") sounds as if it were about things that might have perverts in them, thus it makes Index Decay easier.

I agree. This likely needs a rename.

Index Of Unspeakable Perversions

I just noticed this. The description has been changed. Maybe it should be reworded to make it clear what is and isn't supposed to be on the index.

As the YKTTW launcher, my intent was:

• Charater tropes where the examples are by definition perverts, such as Panty Thief.
• Tropes about characters that are constantly thinking about sex, such as All Women Are Lustful.
• Tropes about someone accused of being a pervert in - universe, such as Accidental Pervert.

Not tropes where the character is likely to be accused of being a pervert, which is what this has deteriorated into.

edited 3rd Mar '12 9:15:14 PM by FrodoGoofballCoTV

So it's an index about character types that have certain forms/aspects of sexuality (sexual prowess, lechery, promiscuity, , gold-digging serial monogamy, etc.) as a primary/major defining trait?

"gold-digging"

That's greedy, not perverted. The money is the primary driving force.

And this is why page creators should carefully curate things that they launched.

I think a simple example cleanup and a clearer definition should do the trick.

Or is this one of the things we should declare "creepy" and cut because someone might make a video about it? Its so hard to keep tell these days...

It's the method used for that that I was talking about. Example: Black Widow.

There are no examples on the index we're talking about. Also, the current agreement in the thread for the "creepy stuff" matter is "clean-up the creepiness, and if necessary lock article and make adding examples required to get mod approval."

edited 4th Mar '12 2:07:16 PM by MarqFJA

"Perversion" is YMMV in itself. What counts and what does not varies between individuals, places and times.

Maybe replace this index with a Sex Crimes And Pranks Index for the tropes with issues of questionable legality? Or something like that?

Yeah, this index is not creepy. Dont Be Creepy has a picture of what we're actually talking about.

If someone is treated as a pervert on the show, that is what matters, not what someone thinks actually counts as being a pervert.

Pervert is, for some reason, used on the wiki to mean "thinks about sex ever"; I'm not sure that's the right word for that, but as long as we all understand it I guess it's acceptable.

I think clarifying the definition and culling tropes, using that understanding of what "pervert" means, will go a long way towards fixing the problems.

I see it more as "atypical expression of sexuality", or perhaps "unwholesome expression of sexuality" (that's the best kind, after all!)

That meaning does get used a lot as a translation for various Japanese words ("hentai", "ecchi", "ero", etc.) in anime/manga scanlations.

Let's compile tropes we think actually fit perverts, and see if we can get good guidelines from that.

Clocking for lack of activity.