Ten reasons why it should be nuked: Tastes Like Dirt

I rather thought of a redirect to Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy, given that this seems to be redundant to that one.

True enough. Ok, crowner options:

• Redirect to Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.
• Cut the page.
• Send back to YKTTW to make it a more neutral/non-complaining trope.

Did I miss anything?

edited 18th Feb '12 4:28:09 AM by lu127

Looks good to me.

Making this the opposite to Tastes Like Diabetes would be the best really.

Dark show to the point of insanity, or will scar you for life, yada (Usually with copious amounts of Death, Angst, Gorn, Injury Conga and such.)

edited 18th Feb '12 12:24:21 PM by Raso

What is the minimum amount that would count as "copious"?

Crowner here. Add options as you see fit.

Hollered to have it hooked.

@Raso, there's no way to make this objective. A little gritty to me might be so dark they don't want to even hear about it to someone else.

I don't see a point to this page even if it was more neutral.

Crowner attached.

I don't think it can be save, either. It has way too many inbounds to cut and can be safely made into a redirect for Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.

Objective is not the goal though Tastes Like Diabetes is YMMV.

And YMMV tropes exist no way around that.

It's not a trope at all. It's an Audience Reaction, and an unneeded negative one at that. It says right on the front page, "We are also not a wiki for bashing things. Once again, we're about celebrating fiction, not showing off how snide and sarcastic we can be."

It does not have to be bad though making things as dark as possible is the point of a lot of shows like say Madoka Magica, Victory Gundam, Senki Zesshou Symphogear, Saya No Uta , Mai Chans Daily Life (Yeah I went there) or dark Kill Em All fanfiction.... The point of the shows is watch them suffer and almost always die. It is not Darker And Ediger the shows started this way and that was the point.

Opposite of Tastes Like Diabetes which are shows (and sometimes characters) which run on Rule of Cute optimism, Power of Friendship and Squee and nobody dies.

I tend to like the latter (Being a big Magical Girl fan) but the former people eat up too.

edited 18th Feb '12 1:19:38 PM by Raso

It is already the "opposite" of Tastes Like Diabetes. Close, anyway. Even if it was a perfect inverse: that ("sickeningly sweet") isn't a trope either.

The description is absolutely awful.

It written like it's aimed at YKTTWers that cry The Same But More Specific and editors who try to shoehorn things instead of the casual reader.

If this where kept, we should rewrite the whole description from scratch. We don't need to over-complicate a page that says "this work is too Grimdark".

I still vote for cutting because we don't really need more subjective pages. It feels like a counterpart made for the sake of being a counterpart. It has little value conceptually and even less value in execution.

edited 19th Feb '12 11:10:20 AM by DrStarky

If we are to keep this in any form, I'd send it back to YKTTW.

But, redirect sounds harmless too.

edited 18th Feb '12 1:59:29 PM by lu127

Bump for votes. Looks like this will probably get cut.

Why are there two options that say "cut"? Also, if this is kept as a redirect, I have to wonder if it will be confused as some sort of character reaction towards horrible food. i.e: "This spaghetti Tastes Like Dirt!"

edited 20th Feb '12 10:05:33 AM by ThatHuman

The OP didn't notice I had already put it there...?

Anyway, deleting duplicate.

Three days have passed, cutting is well ahead of the others. Hollering to call crowner.

Clocking.

It even says "If the heavy taste of dirt provokes a negative response in the viewers, then it's Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy." despite the trope being an audience reaction by default.

I was going to say that Darker and Edgier may be missing a supertrope, but it looks like Grimdark is already troped.

I'm not seeing the "If you like dark then you're stupid." in the description, but some of the examples are clearly only complaining.

edited 21st Feb '12 8:33:05 AM by ArcadesSabboth

I still can't believe that Cormac Mc Carthy's works are on this page. Blood Meridian and The Road are two of the best American novels written in the past 100 years. I'm reading No Country For Old Men right now, and it's looking to be just as good. Those and 40 K being on there are enough reason alone to cut the page.

No, those would be reasons to clean the examples.

Reasons to cut the page would be the OP's arguments that it isn't a trope, that it duplicates existing tropes, and that it can never not be complaining.

edited 21st Feb '12 10:08:41 AM by ArcadesSabboth

Right, bad wording on my part. I meant they're just emblematic examples of why this can never be a real trope.

"I'm not seeing the "If you like dark then you're stupid." in the description"

Meant the examples. The description invites examples like that.