This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"
Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.
If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces
instead.
For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:
- #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
- #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
- #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
- #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
- #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
- #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
- #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz — books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
- #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
- #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
- #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title.
I'd be grateful for input.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM
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The problem with AcqInq is that while the first three installments have been podcasts, about 95% of the content is Web Video (see Recap.Acquisitions Incorporated), so new people coming into the series will likely have never even heard a podcast before.
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For precedence on media displacement, Guiding Light began as a Radio broadcast (and I'm adding the redirect since I notice that it didn't have one) and Girl Genius began as a print comic. Both works shifted to a new medium early in their careers.
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I also think it's more logical to use the namespace of the series' original medium, unless it switched to another early in its run. It would be great to have a clarification on Administrivia.Namespace or How to Create a Work's Page (which currently just says "use the correct namespace")...
Edited by Koveras on Aug 24th 2018 at 8:43:13 PM
So in VVVVVV there are player levels, and a lot of them are about as extensive as the main game. If I were to make a page for one of these levels, would I put it under Video Game or Fan Work?
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The FanWorks/ namespace is not used for pages about works. FanWorks/ is for lists of fanfictions and fan videos (example: FanWorks.Team Fortress 2).
So a mod or a fan level would go in the VideoGame/ namespace.
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Case in point, mods like A Dance with Rogues and Gladiatrix are under VideoGame/.
Edited by Koveras on Aug 26th 2018 at 9:43:16 PM
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If I made a page for a planetarium presentation, what medium/namespace should I put it under?
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Why? I mean, I suppose it could have narrative content, but it seems to rather miss the point of what TV Tropes is for.
Anyway, planetarium presentations would qualify as Film, since that's how they're made and presented.
Edited by Fighteer on Aug 27th 2018 at 3:36:03 PM
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http://rmsc.org/strasenburghplanetarium/star-shows/item/569-the-last-question
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That link redirects to a homepage; fixed.
~Fighteer, why do you say it misses the point of the site?
Edited by Lymantria on Sep 4th 2018 at 1:02:33 PM
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Lost in Space
Well... I suppose they could be considered documentary films, but those exist within a very narrow band of troping wherein the presentation and narrative are about all that you can meaningfully describe. It's not the sort of thing I'd expect to find talked about on TV Tropes.
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Lost in Space
That's because those sorts of works don't typically use narrative tropes. I've already answered the original question: planetarium presentations can go in Film.
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 5th 2018 at 9:55:46 AM
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Yes, thank you. I will use the Film (animated) for the presentation. I hope I answered your question.
Edited by crazysamaritan on Sep 5th 2018 at 12:42:15 PM
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I think you mean WesternAnimation/.
Edited by Lymantria on Sep 5th 2018 at 7:34:02 AM
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Okay, so now I have one vote for Film and one vote for Western Animation. Any others?
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Is there any live action stuff in it?
This is more about example sections than namespaces specifically, but it would be relevant if I or someone else were to make a page for this. It was called "Mailbox Mysteries", and it was a story/contest/thing from the 1980s where you'd be sent a series of envelopes containing various clues to a mystery (interview transcripts, photographs, newspaper articles, etc.) The first person to solve it would get a prize, the main part of which was dinner for two with (an actor playing) one of the characters from the story.
What medium would this be under? I guess the closest would be Alternate Reality Game, though it's from before that was a term. It seems similar because all the clues and such were presented as though it were a real mystery that needed solving, and the participants were "field investigators".
Lost in Space
I don't see why not. It had tropes and was presented as a narrative. ARG would be the proper namespace, I think.
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Metal Gear Solid Philanthropy is currently in the Fan Fic namespace, but it's a Fan Film.
Voldemort Origins Of The Heir is in the Web Video namespace, but it too is a Fan Film. Web Video makes more sense to me than Fan Fic, but I just wanted to make sure. Well, that page was cut, so... nevermind about that one.
Edited by Primis on Nov 22nd 2018 at 10:27:33 AM
Manga.Amazing Agent Luna exists, and I'm pretty sure it should be WebComic.Amazing Agent Luna since it's an OEL Manga, originating in English by people out of Japan.
Someone on the discussion page says it sounds as manga because it reads left-to-right but that seems... wrong?
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Here's the description of a work:
Edited by crazysamaritan on Jan 19th 2019 at 5:50:37 AM
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Edit: Ignore.
Edited by Mickoonsley19 on Feb 3rd 2019 at 8:51:56 AM
Shouldn't the Super Bowl page be under the Series namespace instead of Useful Notes, like Series.Monday Night Football? It seems like it was put there because sports pages are equated with the UN namespace, but I think that's for pages which describe different sports, not certain competitions.
This, mostly to avoid ambiguity about which namespace is used when creating a new work page, and also to avoid pointless moving of a work page just because it changed medium, or the new one is more well-known. Thus, a webcomic which is later published on paper stay in Webcomic/ rather than being moved to ComicBook/.
That certainly seems to be the current standard, especially with Manga and Anime, a lot of which have the LightNovel/ or VisualNovel/ namespace, despite being mostly about the paper of animated version.
The Administrivia.Namespace page doesn't spell it out, but it at least mentions that Anime First works go in Anime/.
Edited by StFan on Aug 24th 2018 at 2:41:03 PM