Rename (alt titles crowner 4/24): Gundamjack

Crowners swapped out.

Okay, can we have some more suggestions for titles here please?

Bumping for votes and alt titles.

Just to have some variety: In-battle hijacking

Bumping for votes.

I'm confused - I don't really like either title and I'm not really sure what trope definition we're giving a name. :/

The trope description is really crappy isn't it? I'm guessing this is a relic of the bad old days when the wiki was edited by a small handful of cliques who each pretty much stuck to their own special genre-specific tropes.

This appears to be...stealing a super-prototype? Which seems awfully specific. I haven't reviewed the entire thread, but if the description needs to be fixed, maybe we should do that first, so people like Noaqiyuem and I aren't totally confused.

edit: typo

edited 30th Nov '12 11:32:51 PM by Xtifr

Ugh...this thread languished, so I might have to unhook this to set things straight.

The original idea was to work based on Deboss's suggestion. There were also related YKTTWs. [1][2]. Theeeeeeeeeeen....the thread was locked and somebody called for an unlock. We had this crowner agreeing to broaden and rename aaaaaaaaaaaaand...it's just confusing everyone.

Okay, since people have no idea what they're voting on, unhooking crowner. We need a solid description first.

We also need to get the YKTTW straight.

edited 30th Nov '12 11:45:28 PM by lu127

Ok, now that I know what's going on, I approve of all the moves that have been made so far. So, perhaps the next step should be to write a description? Then do the rename?

I wonder if we can get Deboss to take a stab at writing a description, since we seem to be following his proposal?

I like the suggestion from the first few pages of Grand Theft Prototype. The trope is about stealing something that has unique value. Stealing a mass-produced Mecha-Mook would go under the Hijack YKTTW, but stealing a unique Super Prototype would go under this trope.

Depends on whether or not you'd want to separate hijacking things versus hijacking military objectives. For instance, stealing a car to chase the bad guys is something I consider something plot different than hijacking enemy artillery and calling in strikes on their own people.

So, a stab at Grand Theft Prototype (I'm going to try and do a bit of self demonstrating as I feel that's a decent opener in most cases):

Welcome to the meeting Insert Name Here. As You Know, the enemy is developing a new prototype weapon system, which is significantly more powerful than our own weapon system. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to infiltrate the enemies base using this Elaborate Plan and stealing the prototype. You will then bring it back to headquarters to be studied. Good Luck Hero.

A common MacGuffin plot based trope., Grand Theft Prototype is about one group staging a mission to steal an enemies advanced weapon system in order to bring it back home and duplicate the technology to use against the enemy. This particular plot set up is very useful as you can take it a variety of directions. One way is to focus on the setup for the theft in question allowing The Caper to be used. If one side of the war is at a severe disadvantage, stealing a Super Prototype would allow the losing side to come Back from the Brink. Another option for a longer series is to have the plot focus on chasing down leads, only to have them be wastes of time.

A subtrope of Hijacking Tropes, commonly overlaps with Steal And Put Into Service as blowing up the enemy base is always a nice bonus, although you can usually use this one to get away from the scene of the crime. While it's commonly used in military settings, it's also a popular espionage plot setup (national or corporate, both are good).

Yeah, I'm saying that "you need to go steal this specific thing of unique and irreplaceable value" is different from "we need to do X, so let's go steal something that will let us do that".

Grand Theft Prototype would be stealing a specific thing as the entire objective. Hijack would be stealing something in general. For example, if you're stuck behind enemy lines and need a ride back to the front so you steal an enemy tank and drive it through no-man's land, then that would be a generic Hijack. But if the enemy has a Super Prototype tank that will turn the tide of the war in their favor, so you sneak behind enemy lines for the sole purpose of stealing it, then that would be Grand Theft Prototype.

That's what I was thinking, but like I wrote in the description, it could also be corporate espionage as well. Military tends to be more common in my experience but that might be genre preference showing.

Umm - point of order? Would The Hunt For Red October qualify as Grand Theft Prototype? It seems like it technically fits but doesn't really quite match the description. At least, I don't think.

I think it would. It's about stealing a uniquely valuable piece of military hardware. The only reason I can think of that it might not count is because it was less "let's go steal this awesome sub" and more "I'll give you this awesome sub if you let me defect", but that just makes it Grand Theft Prototype on the part of the sub captain rather than the American agents.

It definitely feels like it would fit, so I'm cool with including it.

I think you can launch the index, Deboss.

Do we all agree on a revised description? We can get to the new name after that.

Re-clocked. What's left to do on this?

I believe we're agreed on the description of the trope (as seen earlier in this page). So that satisfies half of the crowner outcome, we just need to copy/paste the description onto the trope page. The other half would be to agree on the name Grand Theft Prototype mentioned several times here, or find a better name instead.

Old crowner seems to agree.

I propose to rollcall on Grand Theft Prototype and include other name suggestions as well if they pop up.

for Grand Theft Prototype.

That sounds reasonable; go for it.

I agree with Grand Theft Prototype.

Grand Theft Prototype

So hey, this is still here. Looks like it just needs a rename to Grand Theft Prototype, is that right?