Rename (alt titles crowner 4/24): Gundamjack get usage counts
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101 ccoa24th Apr 2012 01:26:04 PM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
Crowners swapped out.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
102 Spark920th May 2012 04:11:17 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Okay, can we have some more suggestions for titles here please?
Special trousers. Very heroic.
103 ccoa9th Jul 2012 09:22:57 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Bumping for votes and alt titles.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
104 jkbeta9th Jul 2012 09:35:13 AM from right behind you , Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Just to have some variety: In-battle hijacking
105 ccoa22nd Aug 2012 08:26:21 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Bumping for votes.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
106 Noaqiyeum30th Nov 2012 10:29:47 PM from Kcymaerxthaere , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
I'm confused - I don't really like either title and I'm not really sure what trope definition we're giving a name. :/
Take everything with you you want to lose.
Freshly sponged spatial vectors enable propelling through sensory implosion default.
107 Xtifr30th Nov 2012 11:31:14 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
The trope description is really crappy isn't it? I'm guessing this is a relic of the bad old days when the wiki was edited by a small handful of cliques who each pretty much stuck to their own special genre-specific tropes.

This appears to be...stealing a super-prototype? Which seems awfully specific. I haven't reviewed the entire thread, but if the description needs to be fixed, maybe we should do that first, so people like Noaqiyuem and I aren't totally confused.

edit: typo

edited 30th Nov '12 11:32:51 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
108 lu12730th Nov 2012 11:43:49 PM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Ugh...this thread languished, so I might have to unhook this to set things straight.

The original idea was to work based on Deboss's suggestion. There were also related YKTTWs. [1][2]. Theeeeeeeeeeen....the thread was locked and somebody called for an unlock. We had this crowner agreeing to broaden and rename aaaaaaaaaaaaand...it's just confusing everyone.

Okay, since people have no idea what they're voting on, unhooking crowner. We need a solid description first.

We also need to get the YKTTW straight.

edited 30th Nov '12 11:45:28 PM by lu127

109 Xtifr30th Nov 2012 11:48:26 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
[up]Ok, now that I know what's going on, I approve of all the moves that have been made so far. So, perhaps the next step should be to write a description? Then do the rename?

I wonder if we can get Deboss to take a stab at writing a description, since we seem to be following his proposal?
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
110 NativeJovian1st Dec 2012 05:36:07 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
I like the suggestion from the first few pages of Grand Theft Prototype. The trope is about stealing something that has unique value. Stealing a mass-produced Mecha-Mook would go under the Hijack YKTTW, but stealing a unique Super Prototype would go under this trope.
111 Deboss3rd Dec 2012 05:08:58 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Depends on whether or not you'd want to separate hijacking things versus hijacking military objectives. For instance, stealing a car to chase the bad guys is something I consider something plot different than hijacking enemy artillery and calling in strikes on their own people.

So, a stab at Grand Theft Prototype (I'm going to try and do a bit of self demonstrating as I feel that's a decent opener in most cases):

Welcome to the meeting Insert Name Here. As You Know, the enemy is developing a new prototype weapon system, which is significantly more powerful than our own weapon system. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to infiltrate the enemies base using this Elaborate Plan and stealing the prototype. You will then bring it back to headquarters to be studied. Good Luck Hero.

A common MacGuffin plot based trope., Grand Theft Prototype is about one group staging a mission to steal an enemies advanced weapon system in order to bring it back home and duplicate the technology to use against the enemy. This particular plot set up is very useful as you can take it a variety of directions. One way is to focus on the setup for the theft in question allowing The Caper to be used. If one side of the war is at a severe disadvantage, stealing a Super Prototype would allow the losing side to come Back from the Brink. Another option for a longer series is to have the plot focus on chasing down leads, only to have them be wastes of time.

A subtrope of Hijacking Tropes, commonly overlaps with Steal And Put Into Service as blowing up the enemy base is always a nice bonus, although you can usually use this one to get away from the scene of the crime. While it's commonly used in military settings, it's also a popular espionage plot setup (national or corporate, both are good).
112 NativeJovian4th Dec 2012 11:26:31 AM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
Yeah, I'm saying that "you need to go steal this specific thing of unique and irreplaceable value" is different from "we need to do X, so let's go steal something that will let us do that".

Grand Theft Prototype would be stealing a specific thing as the entire objective. Hijack would be stealing something in general. For example, if you're stuck behind enemy lines and need a ride back to the front so you steal an enemy tank and drive it through no-man's land, then that would be a generic Hijack. But if the enemy has a Super Prototype tank that will turn the tide of the war in their favor, so you sneak behind enemy lines for the sole purpose of stealing it, then that would be Grand Theft Prototype.
113 Deboss4th Dec 2012 08:38:06 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
That's what I was thinking, but like I wrote in the description, it could also be corporate espionage as well. Military tends to be more common in my experience but that might be genre preference showing.
114 Noaqiyeum6th Dec 2012 12:21:53 PM from Kcymaerxthaere , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
Umm - point of order? Would The Hunt for Red October qualify as Grand Theft Prototype? It seems like it technically fits but doesn't really quite match the description. At least, I don't think.
Take everything with you you want to lose.
Freshly sponged spatial vectors enable propelling through sensory implosion default.
115 NativeJovian7th Dec 2012 07:42:39 AM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
I think it would. It's about stealing a uniquely valuable piece of military hardware. The only reason I can think of that it might not count is because it was less "let's go steal this awesome sub" and more "I'll give you this awesome sub if you let me defect", but that just makes it Grand Theft Prototype on the part of the sub captain rather than the American agents.
116 Deboss9th Dec 2012 02:35:28 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
It definitely feels like it would fit, so I'm cool with including it.
117 lu1276th Jan 2013 12:41:26 PM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I think you can launch the index, Deboss.

Do we all agree on a revised description? We can get to the new name after that.
118 Willbyr30th Mar 2013 06:12:43 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Re-clocked. What's left to do on this?
119 Spark930th Mar 2013 06:39:35 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I believe we're agreed on the description of the trope (as seen earlier in this page). So that satisfies half of the crowner outcome, we just need to copy/paste the description onto the trope page. The other half would be to agree on the name Grand Theft Prototype mentioned several times here, or find a better name instead.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
120 SeptimusHeap30th Mar 2013 07:02:45 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
Old crowner seems to agree.

I propose to rollcall on Grand Theft Prototype and include other name suggestions as well if they pop up.
121 Noaqiyeum30th Mar 2013 02:44:17 PM from Kcymaerxthaere , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
Take everything with you you want to lose.
Freshly sponged spatial vectors enable propelling through sensory implosion default.
122 Willbyr31st Mar 2013 08:29:15 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
That sounds reasonable; go for it.
I agree with Grand Theft Prototype.
124 lu1272nd Apr 2013 06:28:37 AM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
125 NativeJovian22nd Apr 2013 09:53:48 AM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
So hey, this is still here. Looks like it just needs a rename to Grand Theft Prototype, is that right?

Alternative Titles: Hijack Index
23rd Jun '13 4:41:30 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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