Improving YKTTW

Is there any way to change a setting or something so that a YKTTW does not open a separate tab when you click to open it?

I agree that is annoying. People who want to open in another tab know how to do so. That's in.

Bugfix this.

But seriously, folks, how can a YKTTW have no draft text, no comment text, but the # of comments and their original timestamps (up to and including Sunday the 18th) are still intact?

Also, how fixed is the backslashing issue? This one was created just today and already has a backslash problem in the title.

edited 19th Mar '12 11:12:00 PM by Stratadrake

Is there a filter option that only shows ykttws with the "NEW" label? Can there be one?

There's a "show only new and flagged" option or some such. Clicking that will show you YKTTW that are new or flagged for your attention.

With the design retool, it's just "show flagged". There's no option to filter out new drafts which have been added since you last visited, which is an option I, too, would be happy to have back.

Agree that we should be able to see "new" YKTTWs, but please keep it separate from "flagged".

The backslashing issue seems to badly affect the Show All Markup page (example here from [[tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=4dcsh8r1f0x4dyd744nwqkoc this YKTTW]]), with a backslash put behind every every single quote character (used for italics). For when I launched Hating on Monday, I had to manually remove every. Single. ONE! of those cursed backslash characters.

EDIT: Uhh... why is my second link not working? Where's the preview button when you need one!?

edited 22nd Mar '12 1:50:49 AM by Beed28

You copied it in such a way that the http:// bit in the URL got lost. On the site, you don't see it in a page's URL, but you have to add it for a link to work.

edited 22nd Mar '12 5:50:48 AM by SeptimusHeap

The slash thing is really bad in the show all markup page. Worse, it only appears there, so trying to launch a trope is hell.

Is it possible to kill the slash thing?

The slashes don't show up in the edit box, though, so when I launched Kaleidoscope Hair I clicked "edit" and highlighted that to copy and paste.

If there is (without being Fast Eddie), it isn't obvious, since the only place you get them is the source page and that can't be edited. I've tried a variety of ways of getting to the source page but it makes no difference, and that's all I can think of at the moment.

It's a known issue, though, and has gotten better.

Backslashes in the view source page should be cleared up.

Indeed, they're gone.

We need to get more people transitioning from the old-fashioned tagging (in the draft text) to the new tag system faster. I just did an impromptu check on the first page of YKTTW and noticed that of the 50 drafts displayed, only five had any tags whatsoever; 15 others were tagged the old-fashioend way.

To this end, the "create new YKTTW" form (not edit, just create) needs to have a set of checkboxes for each tag the user wants to add. If they see them on the page, they will use them.

can anything be done to restore the drop down box function to reveal the draft and comments? This opening a fresh page, then having to back button to get back to the list is so annoying and makes the YKTTW as good as unusable really.

"As good as unusable" was the complaint when it did have the drop downs, too. The two methods are incompatible. One has to win. This is the one that won.

Opening the draft in a tab is essentially the same functionality.

edited 10th Apr '12 10:14:23 AM by FastEddie

It is technically possible to give it different behaviors depending on whether it's being clicked or opened in a new tab, but difficult and not really worth the time.

If you define having to keep opening a new page to see what is in the draft or write something, then have to back button to get back to the index again, as having the same functionality as never leaving the index at all, then yeah. Its an extra layer of fuss and bother. I thought we were wanting to make it easier for people to contribute instead of adding more barriers. An expand/close button would make more sense than having people navigate away from the page.

Most curent brawsers allow you to "open tabs" by clicking the middle mouse button or right-clicking a link and selecting "open in new tab/window." This does not close the YKTTW index and means you can scroll down the index, open tabs as you go, and then go through your "interested in" ones at your leasure.

AKA: the same way most people go through TV Tropes pages.

edited 10th Apr '12 11:36:46 AM by Belian

You mean go to yet another page, as opposed to just simply scrolling down the same page?

Sort of. It is a way to open another page without "leaving" the current one. Both (or more) pages would be open at the same time so you can click over to one, read through it, and then come back to the other exactly as you left it.

Using YKTTW's current set-up, you scroll down the main index (Page A) and see something you want to read more of/provide input. It sounds like you click on the link button and that takes you to the spesific YKTTW page (Page B). Then you have to hit the back button to get back to Page A and repeat the process.

By using tabs/other windows: you scroll down Page A, open Page B in another tab/window, continue scrolling down Page A, open pages C-E in the same way, then leave Page A up while you work on Pages B-E. You can then close B-E and continue on A or leave them up so that you can refresh them and see if other people have responded without refreshing the list on A.

Yeah, that isn't simpler on expanding a box on the same page. In fact the highly annoying opening a fresh page that happens just now is simpler than that. I don't need extra tabs open, the idea is to minimise the amount of tabs open at any time in fact. To get it so you can get everything you need to do without ever having to leave the same page.

Anyway. We'll be leaving the current method in place. It was requested by a large number of participants in the discussion and this is the first demurrer I've seen.