Yes I was confused by the title, I thought the thread name was a glitch on Armor-Piercing Question. Seems like a hanging adjective.
edited 2nd Feb '12 11:28:30 AM by rodneyAnonymous
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An aside: Piercing Attack was deceptive for me. The first thing that came to mind with that one was attacks in games where a projectile can fly through multiple enemies, such as shooting an arrow that hits someone and then inexplicably continues on to the next guy without stopping.
...you know, if that's not a trope...
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Which is the manner it's used in One-Hit Polykill, but conveniently enough isn't even the definition of Armor Piercing as discussed.
edited 2nd Feb '12 11:14:52 AM by Stratadrake
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The Master of Tediousness
You know, now that I think about it, my original intent for this trope was to be Anti Armor, to go along with Anti-Air and Anti-Cavalry, but people said to make it this.
edited 5th Feb '12 12:05:08 AM by KZN02
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Hammer of the Pervs
You mean as in Anti-Tank? Because I don't think that's really a trope. LAWs, RPG-29s and Javelins exist in real life, but I don't think there's anything tropeable about them.
Come to think of it, I don't think Anti-Cavalry and Anti-Air are really tropes either. The descriptions read as if they're about game mechanics, but the examples are just lists of pikemen and use of Stingers and Starstreaks in fiction. What's a trope about any of that?
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In some RTS games, Anti-Air is the only weapon that can track and target airborne enemies. Anti-Cavalry sounds like it's just Tactical Rock–Paper–Scissors But More Specific.
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Hammer of the Pervs
Your point about Anti-Air in RTS games is true, but does that actually make it a trope? And I agree, Anti-Cavalry isn't distinct enough a concept to have its own page. I support cutting both and adding examples back into Tactical Rock–Paper–Scissors.
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RTS trope, maybe.
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Video game mechanics count as tropes, even if they're based on real life.
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Hammer of the Pervs
Sure, but like I said, I don't think those are distinct enough from Tactical Rock–Paper–Scissors to merit their own page. For sure the non-Video Game misuse needs to be cleaned up.
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Anti-Air is also commonly used in Tower Defense. There are also a lot of other examples, like Anti-Air attacks in fighting games, and other stuff to justify the trope.
Anti-Cavalry... no idea. Most examples are Real Life.
Either way, neither is really related to the trope of the topic.
edited 5th Feb '12 7:43:07 PM by Feather7603
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Hammer of the Pervs
Right, we are starting to get off topic here. People were just bringing up other related tropes to compare and contrast. Does anyone have a problem with merging this with Piercing Attack? I'm willing to contribute to the work.
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The Master of Tediousness
I'm for it, but I'm wondering if I can go ykttw Anti-Armor so I work on my original intentions.
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Dragon Writer
I can support a merge, but I'd rather the final title be something else than one or the other, like "Armor-Piercing Attack". "Armor Piercing" attracted misuse and "Piercing Attack" could use a little more descriptiveness to indicate what it's piercing (not entire Mooks, for one).
I ninja'd up
an AT crowner the other day if we want that step, just didn't post it, in case it might be jumping the gun.
edited 6th Feb '12 10:15:36 AM by Stratadrake
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Hammer of the Pervs
Good call on the crowner. Hollering to have it hooked.
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Hooked.
The crowner doesn't say what it's merging with.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Hammer of the Pervs
Now it does. Bam.
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I like Piercing Attack better than Armor-Piercing Attack as a name. It's more concise and conveys the same information.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Hammer of the Pervs
Well, are there a significant number of other types of defenses that can be pierced? Sci-fi energy shields, I suppose, but those are just functionally energy armor anyway.
The main reason I like Armor-Piercing Attack is because it makes it clear that the two tropes have now become one. That way people looking for one or the other will have an easier time finding it.
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The Master of Tediousness
It's been a while. I forget the rules, when is the voting done?
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If we do the merge, can we still have a soft-split for attacks that completely ignore armor?
Dragon Writer
Why again?
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Hammer of the Pervs
I'm hollering to call the crowner so we can do the rename and redirect work and get this thread closed.
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Armour Piercing Attack does sound better than either of the current titles. I like it for a merge.
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