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PhoenixKnight6 Kicking Ass for the Lord! from An Island Somewhere in the Sea of Rakash Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#13151: Dec 11th 2014 at 10:26:55 AM

And all it takes is completely forgetting all of Lancelot's characterization.

Well if Lancelot is a Berseker yes, but if he's a sane servant, its pretty plausible. Under madness enhancement Lancelot's attacks on Arturia were motivated not by hatred bur a warped sense of guilt leading to him being a Death Seeker. As a rider or a lancer his guilt would likely make reconciliation not only possible but likely.

So here's a thought: I brought this up on the Main thread (or maybe I brought it up here, but I'm not so sure anymore) but should any female servants be able to use the Kaleido sticks? Cause right now, I'm picturing Kaleid Liner Rider, and I like the looks of it. Also, what are the chances of them being able to do install and include as with other class cards? It'd be interesting, at least to me.

At the very least it seems quite plausible to me that a spellcaster like one of the casters or Cu Cullahn or a servant with magical potential like Arturia or Gilgamesh. At least it seems plausible to me at least.

Cosmic General Shinji.

...Cosmic What?

edited 11th Dec '14 10:29:24 AM by PhoenixKnight6

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#13152: Dec 11th 2014 at 10:33:15 AM

Yes exactly.

Unfortunately, the theory of the ramen guy being behind it was Jossed.

edited 11th Dec '14 10:34:27 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#13153: Dec 11th 2014 at 2:15:11 PM

And all it takes is completely forgetting all of Lancelot's characterization.
Well if Lancelot is a Berseker yes, but if he's a sane servant, its pretty plausible. Under madness enhancement Lancelot's attacks on Arturia were motivated not by hatred bur a warped sense of guilt leading to him being a Death Seeker. As a rider or a lancer his guilt would likely make reconciliation not only possible but likely.
Ooooor we could go the Nerve Damage route by having someone bright-slap him into sanity and make him see the bigger picture, or somesuch. (Merlin was the one who did it in the aforementioned fic, BTW.)

edited 11th Dec '14 2:39:32 PM by MarqFJA

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#13154: Dec 11th 2014 at 2:36:28 PM

And seeing as Lancelot, flaws aside, is ultimately a heroic figure, he can indeed be made to see reason.

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#13155: Dec 11th 2014 at 3:19:14 PM

...

No. Just... No.

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#13156: Dec 11th 2014 at 3:24:06 PM

To what are you reacting?

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#13158: Dec 11th 2014 at 3:34:00 PM

That fic seems to be very polarizing.

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#13159: Dec 11th 2014 at 3:39:00 PM

I guess so. I haven't had the chance to check it out past the first chapter though, so I really can't judge. Seems like it runs on a lot ofRule of Cool

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Krika Since: Dec, 2010
#13160: Dec 11th 2014 at 3:39:30 PM

I can very much understand why. That being said, I mostly appreciate it as an example of well-done Crazy Awesome turned Up To Eleven, and well-written battle scenes.

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#13161: Dec 11th 2014 at 3:49:53 PM

All I kow is that at least in concept, Napoelon!Arhcer and Simo Haya(sp?)!Assassin are concepts that are simply made of win.

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#13162: Dec 11th 2014 at 3:56:36 PM

The entire thing is made of win due to being Crazy Awesome turned Up To Eleven.

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#13163: Dec 11th 2014 at 3:57:28 PM

Oh yeah, I mean it sure seems cool, but again I cannot judge from a single chapter.

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#13164: Dec 11th 2014 at 4:02:37 PM

Instead of going on about how you can't judge it, why not just read it?

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#13165: Dec 11th 2014 at 4:10:55 PM

Will do. I'll be sure to leave the author reviews as well. See you guys later!

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#13167: Dec 11th 2014 at 4:55:49 PM

Different people. Back when it started, it was funny in its own absurdity. And then it tried to take itself seriously, and I was just like lolnope. Should've remained as cracky as the premise is.

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#13168: Dec 11th 2014 at 5:14:39 PM

I don't think you and I read the same fic. When did it try to take itself seriously?

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#13169: Dec 11th 2014 at 5:19:16 PM

I pretty much couldn't keep reading after it started introducing Loads And Loads Of Characters, and expecting me to give a damn about the author's OCs.

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#13170: Dec 11th 2014 at 5:23:56 PM

I wouldn't really say that. Aside from a couple of characters here and there (namely Cain, Napoleon, and the guy who taught Shirou Word magic), pretty much everyone else is just there for awesome fight scenes. Everyone else pretty much only gets focused on so much their group gets focused on. For example, we never really get focus on anyone in Team Luvia. We just get some focus on Team Luvia.

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#13171: Dec 11th 2014 at 5:25:50 PM

pretty much everyone else is just there for awesome fight scenes.

No matter how awesome the fight scenes may be, if a character exists only for fight scenes, that's generally a crappy onedimensional character.

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#13172: Dec 11th 2014 at 5:54:28 PM

Way to take that sentence fragment out of context by ignoring my example.

With some exceptions, we never get a lot of focus on any one person like we do in Fate/stay night or any other work. Rather, it usually focuses on groups. For example, while the focus is slightly greater on Alter, the focus is never really on any one Saber but rather on Team Shirou as a whole. Likewise, the focus is rarely, if ever, on any one Servant but rather on their team as a whole.

Since the story isn't really focusing on any one person, you probably won't end up caring for them as much as you would if they appeared in a normal Holy Grail War but you're given enough information about them that you do want to see them. It also helps that nine of the Servants are more or less exactly the same as their canon counterparts.

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#13173: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:13:23 PM

you probably won't end up caring for them as much as you would if they appeared in a normal Holy Grail War

See, this is the problem. If I am reading a Fate Stay Night story, I want to care about the characters as much as I care about the characters in Fate Stay Night. Plain and simple.

I'm not ignoring your example, I'm just saying it's regardless not what I, and presumably others, want out of a FSN story. I don't want mere walking props for fight scense.

edited 11th Dec '14 6:14:44 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

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#13174: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:14:10 PM

Have you actually read Nerve Damage?

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#13175: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:15:15 PM

You aren't doing a good job of selling it to me.


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