The Gun Thread

It's not over yet. California can appeal the decision, with what's called an en banc hearing which is the entire 9th Circuit judge population, instead of a small panel selected from the 40-odd total judges in the 9th (I forget the exact number off the top of my head).

This ruling was pretty party-line, with a Bush and Reagan appointee voting in favor of overturning the Cali law, and a Clinton appointee voting against. I suspect that the full panel will reverse it (the 9th being somewhat infamous for it's leftist ruling tendency), and the other side may or may not appeal to the US Supreme Court, depending on their legal resources (I haven't looked at it closely, dunno what their situation is like).

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edited 13th Feb '14 9:38:32 PM by Nohbody

I prefer "shall-issue" over "may-issue". My reason for this; various flavors of bigotry on the part of the deciding party vs. a set of written-down strictures making it more or less fair for everyone. Just tossing that out there.

On another note, when the issue of gun control^note Other than "hit what you aim at" and such comes up, a common refrain from those in favor of gun control is some phrase to the effect of "nobody is coming for your guns".

I guess there are a lot of nobodies out there.

(Please note the lack of an "h" in "nobody". )

or if you live in new orleans after katrina.

My new rule of thumb for any discussion about fire arms. The second someone mentions "Good Guy with a Gun" regardless of context for or against guns and/or gun control, in relation to crime etc. They are revealing that they are more likely a moron just spouting off at the mouth.

It has revealed itself to be one of those moron catch phrases.

Good Guy with a Gun sounds like some really bad satirical superhero name

Or a good name for a band.

Already picturing the logo on the chest of his spandex unitard

I'd probably get into a band called that.

Jesse Jackson claims semi-automatic rifles can 'blow up railroads'

...What.

edited 17th Feb '14 5:19:22 AM by Deadbeatloser22

Well, some of them can

In the same way that a bow and arrow can. You hit something in the right spot with almost anything and it'll be fucked up.

"blow up railroads" though...wat.

Maybe, by shooting it at pretty close range with an AM rifle, which aren't exactly common household items. Shit, it'd be more efficient to go and fuck up the railroad tracks with regular tools. And what was the last time somebody took potshots at planes with a civilian AR? That sounds about as futile as this guy's argument.

So Florida has a law prohibiting elected officials from changing a law against outlawing backyard shooting ranges.

...I'm exactly as confused as you are.

Ah local politics, gotta love'em.

South Florida is urbanized (mostly) so I can see why a vocal minority would be against back yard gun ranges.

North Florida still has "backyards" of several acres. Even some lots in the cities can have lots of space.

The problem is classic: laws written so broadly that they are practically meaningless. What's good for one part may not be good for another.

Anit democracy grand?

This is the same Florida that banned the use of computers in an attempt to deal with online gambling.

They actually did that?

An AR could shoot down an airliner. If you fired from inside the cockpit.

Not sure about blowing up railroads though. That's well in the realm of "quite a bit of high explosives", and I don't see anyone lining up to ban the terrorist menace of fertilizer.

Someone has to fight the looming threat of algae bloom.

Kinda-sorta-not really. They basically wrote a law saying that you couldn't use networked electronic devices for the purposes of gambling (trying to crack down on internet cafes getting around existing local laws against gambling by saying "there's no gambling going on here, just computers that happen to be able to connect to things that do have gambling"), but it could be interpreted in such a way that made operating a networked computer at all illegal.

I don't know if this is the right place to put this, but here goes.

Arkansas man charged with shooting and killing a 15-year-old prankster after the prankster egged his car.

edited 18th Feb '14 3:28:57 PM by Nettacki

As to whether or not it belongs here that depends on what you want to discuss.

For example did he have a good cause to do what he did? No and the law is likely to see it that way.

Missouri's dropping of some background check requirements resulted in a statewide rise in gun murders Not all murders, not murders in other states all of this in Missouri and specifically with guns. A 16% increase. While the link is RAW Story there is a link to the info the article wad derived from.

Gun sales have dipped notably Looks like the panic is starting to die off.

That is very interesting, eyeballing the data from the UCR tells me that their probably right about that.

@Gun sales data: more like those who want a "gun" got one. It might have been a bubble, people buying because of reasons, fad reasons (AR-15's became teh smexy) and as "investments".

Taira: My money is on a bubble partially spurred by panic.

Soban: Some detail into the various stats would be interesting to see. Or see if another state does something similar and observe the effects.

edited 18th Feb '14 6:16:24 PM by TuefelHundenIV

OK. I'm a "gun nut", I admit that. I've loved firearms since I was allowed to pull the trigger on the .22 at age 2 and I grew up in houses that had guns in them (at least a .22, if not the ubiquitous SMLE)^note Also every second adult male living around where I grew up had a knife on his belt, usually for culling sheep and cutting twine, which may explain my other obsession...

Any calibre, pistols, rifles, shotguns, airsoft, paintball, air rifles/pistols, black powder or nitro - I like 'em.

And, in addition to using them, I like to collect. I've got a pretty good collection of airsoft and Denix replicas so far and it's only going to grow.

I also like to collect related stuff - like ammunition. I've been building up a modest collection of inert rounds for quite a few years and recently I've had a bit of an upsurge in purchases.

I had a list of rounds I definitely wanted to get but were proving hard to find - until recently.

I saw on an online auction that one of the vendors had, in addition to what he had listed, an 8mm Lebel round - on my "to get" list.

So I purchased a 7x57mm Spanish Mauser round from him and ordered the Lebel while I was at it. I also asked if he had .300 Winchester Magnum, and he said "no problem", so I figured I'd order that later.

He had a few other rounds I was wanting and it was looking like I would be able to get everything on my "to get" list except three rounds.

So I put up a "wanted to buy" ad and got a message from another vendor saying that two of the rounds I wanted - .455 Webley and .32ACP - were available for $10 including postage.

So I ordered them and ordered 4 more rounds from the guy who sold me the 7mm Spanish Mauser and Lebel.

Today two packages arrived. One contained - as I expected - .300 Win Mag, .303 Savage, .25-20 Winchester and 6mm Lee Navy. It also contained, to my surprise and delight, a .308" flat-nose projectile to fit the empty .30-30 case I had (I'd asked if he knew anyone who could sell me something like it and he sent me one free of charge).

The other package contained - as I expected - the .32ACP and the .455 Webley. It also contained five other random rounds free of charge - 6mm Remington, 7mm Rem. Mag, 6.5-284 and a couple of wildcats.

Then later this evening (after a delightful afternoon of putting the new rounds into my display) I got an email telling me that a 7.63x25mm Mauser round is on its way free of charge.

So, all in all, it was a fucking good day - for me and my ammunition collection.

And I'm waiting on the arrival of two other rounds that were on my "to get" list, which will mean that I'll have everything on my list and more.

That is until I think of some other rounds that I want in my collection and kick off a whole new list...

edited 19th Feb '14 3:05:50 AM by Wolf1066