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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Rabid Fujoshi
#1: Jan 16th 2012 at 11:08:28 AM

Yeah, so the name of this uses a pun that doesn't have anything to do with the actual trope and is not descriptive at all. It comes from an episode of Angel that didn't even play this trope straight.

Performance is honestly not that bad but it could probably be better. This is pretty common I think.

edited 16th Jan '12 11:10:14 AM by NoirGrimoir

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Gentleman Troper!
#2: Jan 16th 2012 at 11:30:50 AM

Well, as the trope indicates, the trope namer is not actually an example. That's not a good sign.

Also, while the pun is obvious, the trope is really unrelated to the saying "guys will be guys". That's also not a good sign.

Impersonation plots are very common in fiction, so I would expect a trope like this to see way more usage than it actually does.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#3: Jan 16th 2012 at 12:19:15 PM

The trope, if I'm reading it, is: 1. important character is unavailable 2. another character has to fill in 3. hilarity ensues.

Which would mean that the episode of Angel in question actually is an example. It looks like whoever wrote that it wasn't an example had some Not A Subversion issues. Does the trope require that the main protagonist is the one doing it, or that An Aesop is learned?

I don't think the trope is common enough that the current usage numbers should be considered unhealthily low.

That being said, I think there's potential for misuse here, since the title makes a vague reference to "Guises" that could be misinterpreted. I'd be interested in seeing a Wick Check. Also, the description is a little unclear. Could be tidied up.

edited 16th Jan '12 12:23:04 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Rabid Fujoshi
#4: Jan 16th 2012 at 1:55:16 PM

It's more like 1. important person is unavailable. 2. another person has to impersonate them. 3. various outcomes ensue of which hilarity is only one of them.

edited 16th Jan '12 1:55:32 PM by NoirGrimoir

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troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#5: Jan 16th 2012 at 3:42:21 PM

Yeah, close enough. *shrug* [up]

Rhymes with "Protracted."
Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Gentleman Troper!
#6: Jan 16th 2012 at 3:55:08 PM

[up][up] So is that actually one trope? Or multiple?

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#7: Jan 16th 2012 at 4:00:20 PM

It would be a Plot Trope.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
lvhz Since: Jan, 2012
#8: Jan 21st 2012 at 3:51:12 PM

I've never seen them but two examples might be better a Trope Namer: Lend me a Tenor, or A Knight for a Day

Other suggestions:

Emergency Impersonation

Impromptu Body Double

Conscripted Stand-In

Last-minute Understudy

Filling In For X

Going On In X's Place

edited 21st Jan '12 3:52:54 PM by lvhz

TwoGunAngel The Demon Slayer Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Singularity
lvhz Since: Jan, 2012
#10: Jan 21st 2012 at 4:44:26 PM

Found a subtrope, not wicked to: Subbing for Santa

edited 21st Jan '12 4:44:53 PM by lvhz

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
Loser
#12: Jan 22nd 2012 at 12:39:35 PM

There is now a single proposition rename crowner for this trope here.

Guise Will Be Guise found in: 86 articles, excluding discussions.

Since January 1, 2011 this article has brought 250 people to the wiki from non-search engine links.

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BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#14: Jan 22nd 2012 at 5:56:54 PM

I would have to see a Wick Check before I'm willing to support a rename. It seems like very relevant data to have.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#15: Jan 22nd 2012 at 6:04:48 PM

"Could be better" seems like a very weak reason. It's too bad we don't follow the Old Ways: "The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword."

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
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#16: Jan 23rd 2012 at 3:26:32 AM

The word is "punny" not "puny."

That said, I agree this should be renamed.

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Myra Since: Oct, 2011
#17: Jan 24th 2012 at 4:11:32 AM

Quickie check of the trope's 86 wicks:

Correct: Series/Angel// Buffy The Vampire Slayer// Criminal Doppelgänger// Dr Who magazine// The Little Match Girl (the Hogfather example)// The Power of Acting (Double Star)// Uncanny Family Resemblance (The Prisoner Of Zenda)//

Gentleman Bastards: probably correct// Xena Warrior Princess: several examples, most correct// Androids of Tara: ????//

Myth Adventures: probably wrong

Sluggy Freelance: wrong// Spanish Civil War: wrong

edited 24th Jan '12 4:12:45 AM by Myra

Jzadek Since: Mar, 2010
#18: Jan 28th 2012 at 4:45:24 PM

If we are to rename it, can it at least be something that sounds interesting? Filling In For X is just so sterile. Titles should remain fun, surely?

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LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
Loser
#20: Jan 30th 2012 at 10:36:16 AM

Given the support for a rename, there is now a an alternative titles crowner for this trope here. Feel free to add names as you see fit.

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Myra Since: Oct, 2011
#21: Feb 6th 2012 at 7:16:03 AM

We need a few more votes before calling.

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#22: Feb 6th 2012 at 10:48:02 AM

Huh, I don't like any of these names.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#23: Feb 6th 2012 at 11:50:06 AM

Is this safe to call?

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#24: Feb 8th 2012 at 11:02:23 AM

Calling the crowner after 9 days open. Only two options were in the green, only the top option had a ratio higher than 2:1.

  • 12 (yeas:14 nays:2) 7.00 : 1
Emergency Impersonation

  • 1 (yeas:5 nays:4) 1.25 : 1
Impromptu Body Double

Rename to Emergency Impersonation; let the scutwork begin. Please holler for a discussion move if it's needed.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#25: Feb 8th 2012 at 12:05:26 PM

I've moved Guise Will Be Guise and all its wicks to Emergency Impersonation and updated Renamed Tropes and the FAQ thread. Several examples were Zero Context Examples and now rest in the discussion pages. There is no discussion to be moved, so this should be lockable.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

SingleProposition: GuiseWillBeGuise
22nd Jan '12 11:33:52 AM

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Vote up for yes, down for no.

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