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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#101: Jan 11th 2012 at 5:18:12 PM

A weaboo is anyone who is into anything Japanese or Japanese-esque and isn't the speaker. Duh.

Nah, just the people with a shallow yet obnoxious obsession with it. Awesome stuff comes out of Japan just like every place else.

If you're talking about translations, some Japanese honorifics have certain implications (e.g. formality / respect) that are hard to translate into English. Available options are either rewriting the entire sentence to reflect the appropriate tone, or leaving the honorific in with footnotes.

Certainly. And when possible, the former is a better idea by far. Making your reader trawl through footnotes to grasp undertones of dialogue is really, really clunky and unprofessional, regardless of what language you're translating to or from.

If you're a young-un, relative to the speaker, then it can work.

I realize my family has a thing for aging really gracefully, but I'm still a good 6-8 years older than the people who do it :|

I think Mega Neko can also be changed, even though it's funny.

Yeah. I think it's amusing because I get the joke, but it also relies on still keeping Meganekko around. Actually, that joke is about the only reason to keep Meganekko around.

I have a bit of a personal grudge against Mukokuseki, because the one time I actually wanted to tell someone about it and talk about cultural implications I couldn't remember the damn name. Which is kind of the point of why these renames happen. Tsurime / Tareme are the same way, the connection between facial style and personality isn't even remotely unique to anime (or at least they weren't before someone appears to have given the pages an ethnic cleansing), and they already have more obvious redirect names.

edited 11th Jan '12 5:28:24 PM by Pykrete

Poisonarrow Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: In love with love
#102: Jan 11th 2012 at 5:26:58 PM

I see no problem with it, so long as you're not obnoxious about it, or are talking to someone who IS traditionally japanese.

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#103: Jan 12th 2012 at 8:11:02 PM

Page 3, this post from abstractematics. I have one thing to say. I may be old but I am not elderly!

edited 12th Jan '12 8:11:27 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Exelixi Lesbarian from Alchemist's workshop Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Lesbarian
#104: Jan 12th 2012 at 9:48:18 PM

Maddie, aren't you roughly fourty at maximum?

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-
kay4today Princess Ymir's knightess from Austria Since: Jan, 2011
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#105: Jan 12th 2012 at 9:48:32 PM

And then abstract and Ex were banned. [lol]

edited 12th Jan '12 9:48:45 PM by kay4today

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#106: Jan 12th 2012 at 9:51:46 PM

^^ No, dear, I'm 53. "Elderly" starts at "20 years older than I am at the moment I am asked to define 'elderly'".

edited 12th Jan '12 9:52:49 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Exelixi Lesbarian from Alchemist's workshop Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Lesbarian
#107: Jan 12th 2012 at 9:53:41 PM

O_o

I was not expecting that.

This brings up some questions about some things you've posted in Fetishes. Of course, needless to say, that shan't be discussed here.

edited 12th Jan '12 9:59:04 PM by Exelixi

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-
AikoHeiwa I AM NOT A TREE from Aikoland Since: Feb, 2011
I AM NOT A TREE
#108: Jan 12th 2012 at 9:57:35 PM

[up][up]are you my daddy?

NO TREE FOR ME (ALSO LOVES HER BOYFRIEND)
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#109: Jan 12th 2012 at 10:17:36 PM

Nope. I'm female.

   Now, ask me if I'm your mummy...   

What the hell do you mean, Exelixi? People over 35 have sex too.

edited 12th Jan '12 10:18:46 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Exelixi Lesbarian from Alchemist's workshop Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Lesbarian
#110: Jan 12th 2012 at 10:19:19 PM

If that question is asked, everyone who watches Doctor Who will have PTSD-induced flashbacks.

Don't do it, man.

[up]From what I've heard, fellatio becomes less pleasant to perform as the years of the reciever go by. Apparently this is false?

Bleh, I hope this doesn't get thumped. Ah well, this is an important question. One must plan for the future.

edited 12th Jan '12 10:22:03 PM by Exelixi

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-
juancarlos Faith in the self. Since: Mar, 2012
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#111: Jan 12th 2012 at 10:20:13 PM

but you just asked the question, dude

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AikoHeiwa I AM NOT A TREE from Aikoland Since: Feb, 2011
I AM NOT A TREE
#112: Jan 12th 2012 at 10:20:15 PM

I actually didn't know you were female.

NO TREE FOR ME (ALSO LOVES HER BOYFRIEND)
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#113: Jan 12th 2012 at 10:33:03 PM

Exe: That's why I put it in    eviltype   ...

And I've never heard that fellatio is less pleasant to perform on older men. I certainly haven't found it to be so.

But this conversation really should go to Fetishes.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Exelixi Lesbarian from Alchemist's workshop Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Lesbarian
#114: Jan 12th 2012 at 10:35:43 PM

That's really all I needed to know. Please don't kill me.

edited 12th Jan '12 10:36:29 PM by Exelixi

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-
Zersk o-o from Columbia District, BNA Since: May, 2010
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#115: Jan 12th 2012 at 11:35:34 PM

Now, ask me if I'm your mummy...

Who?

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GameSpazzer The Beta Male from Against! The! Wall! Since: Jun, 2010
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#116: Jan 13th 2012 at 8:07:35 AM

No, just the Doctor. </crappy pun>

edited 13th Jan '12 8:08:03 AM by GameSpazzer

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Meophist from Toronto, Canada Since: May, 2010
#117: Jan 13th 2012 at 5:31:50 PM

...in that case, that makes about as much sense as the word "the" becoming a meme.
It really does. It's a little amusing although a little annoying that something like "desu" has become a meme.

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BlixtySlycat |like a boss| from Driving the Rad Hazard Since: Aug, 2011
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#118: Jan 13th 2012 at 5:36:15 PM

Desu is everywhere, desu.

Nah, just the people with a shallow yet obnoxious obsession with it. Awesome stuff comes out of Japan just like every place else.

I was making fun of the people who will call anyone who mentions anything even remotely Japanese ever a weaboo.

We don't get that too much here, luckily.

edited 13th Jan '12 5:36:41 PM by BlixtySlycat

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CosmicChinchilla Lacking elevenses from A bit left of tomorrow Since: Aug, 2011
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#119: Jan 14th 2012 at 11:58:45 AM

To be fair, the English language has made a bit of a habit of taking foreign words for meanings that don't translate well enough into English anyway. That being said, there is a difference between using it to clarify what you mean and doing it just for the hell of it.

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#120: Jan 17th 2012 at 6:23:32 PM

Thread Hop: I can understand it when someone being referred to with Japanese honorifics is Japanese or has a Japanese-sounding name. Otherwise, it's probably just for kicks or practise.

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#121: Jan 17th 2012 at 6:33:47 PM

I do it to fuck around at times. Or when writing fanfiction for a select few works. Marimite without the honorifics is...odd and not right looking.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
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#122: Jan 17th 2012 at 6:41:20 PM

Yeah, I mean if you're in a situation where your audience is actually speaking Japanese that's something different.

Just talking to someone who happens to be Japanese though...really depends. The Japanese exchange students I've met are typically really chill when a foreigner tries and botches it, but I still would be very leery of it.

abstractematics Since: May, 2011
#123: Jan 17th 2012 at 9:18:15 PM

Yeah, don't use honorifics to a Japanese person when the person is in English, you're in America, and the situation has nothing to do with Japan.

Now using Trivialis handle.
Ramus Lead. from some computer somwhere. Since: Aug, 2009
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#124: Jan 17th 2012 at 9:21:11 PM

I might just go around one day saying X-san and Y-sensei just to see how people react.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#125: Jan 17th 2012 at 10:00:08 PM

Here in Korea we uses honorifics in a highly similar way in Japan. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, Japanese honorifics were inspired by Korean ones.

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