Maybe Elsa's creations just grow more and more perfected the longer she's been mastering her powers. Olaf was created when she wasn't in control at all, so he doesn't have the same inner cold-sustaining structure his little brothers have (even if they were created during a much more temporary span of control loss that still was less important than Elsa's earlier crisis).
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Elsa is also vulnerable to anyone who can negate winter, of course. Imagine someone who can sneeze out sand-devils.
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Well, I think it goes without saying that a magical enemy could have a fair fight against Elsa. I'm just not sure how common magic ought to be in Frozen's setting. Elsa's particular kind of magic, at least, is rare enough for Grand Pabbie and Elsa's parents to have no idea that all you need to control it is love (but Pabbie does know how to heal frozen heads and hearts, which makes me think Elsa's powers aren't the only way to get those things frozen), but magic in general is common enough that people's reaction to Elsa seems more like "Look out, she has magic!" and not "Holy crap, magic exists!"
Few pages ago: By 'king', they obviously mean the Ice King. After all, there's an Adventure Time movie being made.
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Okay, book, if you're going to try and sell me on the 'Let's see Hans' background so we can understand him better' premise, which already is a big risky move on itself since it's hard to feel bad for him over not getting to be king (I mean, dude, you're already wealthy, handsome and will lead a better life than 90% people out there. Go suck some eggs if you're sad you won't get the crown like most of your brothers), at least don't give me a Hans who goes 'He knew his life would never change...' with wangst. At least give me someone who comes as a Never-Say-Die driven charming bastard, not someone who sits there feeling sorry for himself until he sees a chance to predate on the (only seemingly!) emotionally weakest victim around. That's just sad and makes a disservice to the character.
edited 10th May '15 7:39:12 AM by NapoleonDeCheese
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...hey, at least I was right in thinking he had twin brothers...
Christ, Spash is gonna have aneurysms trying to make his fic as close to canon as possible. At least I can just disavow any and all things that fuck with my story.
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Actually, Hans wasn't really in my fic that much, so I doubt it'll be a problem.
Okay, I'm just gonna edit observations into this post as I read.
-The prose is nothing to write home about. Very clunky and awkward-sounding and dumbed down for kids with no real wit or cleverness to any of it, not that I was expecting much.
-There are some nice background details given, which should be a boon to fanfic writers everywhere. Apparently the Southern Isles are one of "the Seven Isles," a group of islands neighboring Arendelle.
-The king's name is given as "Agnarr," whereas I'm pretty sure the fanon name was "Adgar." Ha! Suck it, stupid Fanon! (I'm still not using that name, though. The parents are unnamed in the movie, therefore they're unnamed in my fanfic.)
-Hans's brothers also get names. Also, their last name is "Westergaard" (and Jennifer Lee confirmed it's their last name in a tweet, so that's 100% canon). Nice to finally see how the heck it's supposed to be spelled, though.
-So far, this author has completely and utterly failed to capture Anna's and Hans's personalities whatsoever. There's no bubbliness and enthusiasm to Anna, no smugness or arrogance to Hans, nothing but silent, brooding contemplation about everything.
-Oh yeah, the cover art's very nice, so that's... something, I guess.
-The fact that all the backstory about Hans and his brothers is being addressed in some random obscure book makes me think that Frozen 2 won't be dealing with any of this at all.
Alright, I finished reading. Wow, this writing style is... incredibly dull and lifeless. It's like the author was commissioned to churn this out on a deadline or something. Honestly, slogging through 300 whole pages of this sounds kinda tedious.
Anyways, so far, the only continuity error with my own fic is that *GASP* I spelled "Westergaard" with one "a" instead of two! OH NO! MY FANFIC IS RUINED FOREVER!
edited 10th May '15 9:12:12 AM by spashthebandragon
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Okay, here's a good example of what I mean when I say the writing is dull and lifeless. Here's this author's version of Elsa's and Anna's opening scene:
Her sister didn’t even move. She had clearly forgotten her promise.
Anna jumped up on the bed and began to bounce up and down. “Wake up! Wake up! Wake up!” she chanted until Elsa finally groaned.
“Go back to sleep,” Elsa said sleepily.
“I just can’t,” Anna said, lying down on her back so that all her weight was now on Elsa. “The sky’s awake, so I’m awake. So we have to play.”
“Go play by yourself,” Elsa said, shoving her sister off the bed.
Anna landed with a thud on the floor. She let out a sigh. Elsa had promised! How could she have forgotten? And then Anna smiled to herself. She knew just how to make her sister get out of bed. “Do you wanna build a snowman?” she asked mischievously.
Instantly, Elsa’s eyes popped open and she smiled.
Anna smiled back at her older sister. She hadn’t forgotten after all. It was time to go play in the snow.
And here's the version I wrote a while ago for one of my fanfics:
“Elsa! Psst!” The little gremlin climbed her way onto the mattress and gave her sister's shoulders a shake. “Elsa! Wake up, wake up, wake up!”
“Anna, go back to sleep.”
But there was no reasoning with the beast. Anna flopped onto her back and threw out her arms theatrically. “I just can't! The sky’s awake, so I’m awake, so we have to play!”
“Go play by yourself.” Elsa's next strategy was to give Anna a good strong shove. Anna's butt hit the carpet, and for a minute, it seemed that Elsa had won the battle.
Then Anna played her trump card.
“Do you want to build a snooowmaaaaaaan?”
I'm not trying to brag - I mean, my version's not perfect either - but mine reads so much quicker, and it's got a lot more character to it. It doesn't even matter that this other author's clearly dumbing things down for little kids. I think little kids are perfectly capable of reading my version. My writing comprehension level's definitely not higher than, say, the first Harry Potter book. A Frozen Heart's writing style is just so bland. Ugh.
edited 10th May '15 9:53:12 AM by spashthebandragon
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About the snowgies not needing their own flurry, it has to be noted that they were sent rather quickly to the North Mountain, where it's cold enough for snowmen to live without trouble. And I decided to consider that they were created extra cold because of Elsa's condition at the time, so that's why they were not melted instantly.
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It ain't bragging. The distinction is pretty obvious, and the mood and behavior was set a lot better with a bit of description. Anna as this demon-gremlin-beast-thing is an amusing image.
*summons Dan Green voice* "DEMON DEMANDS PLAYTIME"
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Also, the A Frozen Heart version of the scene doesn't actually line up perfectly with the movie version of the scene. Elsa's line is "Anna, go back to sleep," not just "Go back to sleep." So points off for laziness. That scene can easily be found on Youtube to double-check yourself, you stupid, lazy excuse for a Frozen fanfic author.
edited 10th May '15 10:20:05 AM by spashthebandragon
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I'm taking everything that isn't Frozen and Frozen Fever as non-canon for my fic.
And likely Frozen 2 as well, depending on which one finishes first.
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I have this picture book novelization of Frozen that I got for school Secret Santa last year, it's great for babysitting. I was asked to keep a family friend's 5yo daughter occupied, gave her that book, BOOM it's an hour later.
IIRC, most movie novelizations don't match exactly with the movies that inspired them, and many of them are actually written from earlier versions of the screenplay.
I have the ones for the original Star Wars trilogy, E.T., Dick Tracy, The Rugrats Movie, Raiders of the Lost Ark and Muppets from Space, and they all have subtle (or very big, in Dick Tracy's case) differences from the movies.
edited 10th May '15 2:49:36 PM by NapoleonDeCheese
That's true. And it's rare that novelizations turn out well because they're usually treated as just another product. But the exceptions can be great. Matt Stover got to meet directly with George Lucas for Revenge of the Sith and that book turned out perhaps better than the film. Orson Scott Card got to see an early cut of The Abyss and his book was very detailed and hard science-grounded.
edited 10th May '15 3:02:36 PM by Tuckerscreator
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But this kid just kept flipping back and forth. I don't even think she knew how to read yet.
Olaf is not a product of Elsa's mind. Discovering what he really is will shock them all.
Aaaaand I'm back!
I finally got to see Frozen Fever last night since Cinderella finally made its way to the local second-run theater. I even tried to buy the ticket by calling it 'the movie that Frozen Fever is attached to' (didn't work, though. They didn't know which movie I was talking about).
And, unlike some people apparently did, I actually sat all the way through the actual movie. I'm glad to say that the main feature actually stands on its own and that Frozen 1.5 was truly "just" a nice bonus.
And time for more pics:
Elsa meeting a snowgie, and the new dress
edited 16th May '15 6:14:18 PM by DeMarquis
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I've always wondered what she says to the little guy during that scene. She spends some time looking at him in the background anyway.
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I wondered that too. Internal flurries? Very small clouds? Quite sophisticated things for critters that were literally sneezed into existence.