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Pentadragon The Blank from Alternia Since: Jan, 2001
#76: Dec 18th 2011 at 8:47:43 PM

From another forum:

A friend of a friend says he called Pyongyang and the operator was crying and wasn't transferring any calls.

I thought it was interesting. Apparently the entire country is in mourning right now.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#77: Dec 18th 2011 at 8:48:35 PM

> Un to take over

[Heavy] "not big surprise"

edited 18th Dec '11 8:48:53 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

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#78: Dec 18th 2011 at 8:50:42 PM

^^^ So NK is like a gravely shoe.

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Pentadragon The Blank from Alternia Since: Jan, 2001
#79: Dec 18th 2011 at 8:55:01 PM

From the BBC:

...Professor Lee Jung-hoon, professor of international relations at Yonsei University in Seoul, told the BBC that with the transition of power from father to son incomplete, Mr Kim's death could herald "very unstable times" in North Korea.

"We have to be very worried because whenever there is domestic instability North Korea likes to find an external situation to divert the attention away from that - including indulging in provocation."

That's a bit frightening.

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#80: Dec 18th 2011 at 9:01:32 PM

...Huh. This feels...strange. I mean, I can't even comprehend it.

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Jauce Since: Oct, 2010
#81: Dec 18th 2011 at 9:08:57 PM

[up]As a Korean, what are your thoughts on this? Joy? Uncertainty?

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#82: Dec 18th 2011 at 9:09:10 PM

Well ... fuck ... I really hope this doesn't change our port calls, because I was looking forward to going to Thailand, and I don't really want to get diverted up to do a patrol around Korea.

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#83: Dec 18th 2011 at 9:17:32 PM

Its sad that the totalitarian control is so powerful there that people are mourning a man who has almost singlehandedly made their lives living hell...

SabresEdge Show an affirming flame from a defense-in-depth Since: Oct, 2010
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#84: Dec 18th 2011 at 9:24:23 PM

Average North Koreans know how to mourn, and will do so collectively en masse for Kim Jong Il in the same way that they did it for Kim Il Sung. But the intensity of personal grief is likely to be muted this time compared to Kim Il-sung's death. This announcement is probably being greeted by great uncertainty regarding the future and what the transition will mean for life in the North.

From here. Note that the mourning for Kim Il-Sung in 1994 was largely genuine—the old man was practically hero-worshipped, particularly as North Korea did pretty well economically all the way up through the 1980s. This isn't the case with Kimmie Junior, where everyone remembers the famine of the 1990s.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#85: Dec 18th 2011 at 9:25:12 PM

As for talk about a reingition of the Korean War on the last page, I think I heard somewhere North Korea has some elite troops which could enter Seoul pretty fast, but NK's actual military couldn't stand a prolonged war.

Just my two cents.

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#86: Dec 18th 2011 at 9:27:47 PM

I wonder if instead there will be a military coup

FuschlatzOReilly Since: Dec, 1969
#87: Dec 18th 2011 at 9:28:35 PM

[up][up] I repeat what Penny said earlier in the thread:

A reawakening of the Korean War would end with Seoul being wiped off the face of the planet and the Korean peninsula getting utterly devastated. That's more or less due to sheer numbers though.

North Korea cannot win a war against anyone, but they would unleash hell on earth before dying.

edited 18th Dec '11 9:29:06 PM by FuschlatzOReilly

SabresEdge Show an affirming flame from a defense-in-depth Since: Oct, 2010
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#88: Dec 18th 2011 at 9:32:16 PM

I actually doubt that (the bit about Seoul getting flattened, not the bit about the peninsula being a shambles). Despite the rumours the majority of North Korean equipment cannot hit Seoul from the DMZ. There's maybe a hundred 170mm Koksan guns that can reach that far, but the moment each of them fire they'll be subject to counterattack by aerial bombing and South Korean/US artillery. There are also plenty of Scud ballistic missile knockoffs, but I find it more likely that they'd be armed at military targets instead of Seoul. Hardly enough to qualify as "wiped off the face of the planet" unless the North decides to escalate to nuclear weapons.

Details.

edited 18th Dec '11 9:39:22 PM by SabresEdge

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TheGDude from Fresno, CA Since: Jul, 2010
#89: Dec 18th 2011 at 9:36:17 PM

DING DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD!!

(Yes, a version that hasn't been muted by Warner Music Group, I'm amazed too!)

adam850 Since: Dec, 2009
#90: Dec 18th 2011 at 10:20:37 PM

Seems like the surrounding countries are calling emergency alerts. South Korea did, as did Japan.

(The news doesn't know if Un is 27 or 28)

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#92: Dec 18th 2011 at 10:34:47 PM

[up][up]I wonder what China is doing, and how long it will take for the rest of the world to find out.

I'm somewhat confused as to what their relations with North Korea are currently.

Ailedhoo Heroic Comedic Sociopath from an unknown location Since: Aug, 2011
#93: Dec 18th 2011 at 10:35:48 PM

I have just woken up and discovered this on the BBC.

I... do not know how to respond. A tyrant has died... one of the questions that is going to emerge probelly is; how will his son's rule be like?

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FuschlatzOReilly Since: Dec, 1969
#94: Dec 18th 2011 at 10:41:41 PM

[up][up] They don't especially want it to exist anymore, but they know they can't just give up on it either so they reluctantly continue to support it.

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#95: Dec 18th 2011 at 11:02:16 PM

[up][up]Actually, the more pressing question is "who will rule next?" in general. His son does not have the support he did when coming to power and is in a much more precarious position.

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MalagasyParrot Wh'joo lookin' at? Since: Apr, 2010
Wh'joo lookin' at?
#96: Dec 18th 2011 at 11:12:18 PM

Just when you think 2011 is done giving us plenty of unexpected news, it throws us a curve ball within its final 2 weeks and gives us this.

What a year, folks. What a year.

edited 18th Dec '11 11:14:26 PM by MalagasyParrot

StarAngel125 from Still Queens, NYC Since: Oct, 2011
#97: Dec 18th 2011 at 11:36:32 PM

I woke up to this after a nap and saw this thread.

On another note, I was tempted to put his death in the And There Was Much Rejoicing article but that would be too much of a Flame Bait there.

Steventheman Cmdr. of His Supremacy's Armed Forces from Wales Since: Feb, 2011
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#98: Dec 18th 2011 at 11:37:41 PM

His son apparently "not ready" to take over.

I'm...Fairly happy about this...

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tropetown Since: Mar, 2011
#99: Dec 18th 2011 at 11:38:44 PM

You shouldn't be; North Korea needs all the stability it can get.

Anthony_H Since: Jan, 2001
#100: Dec 18th 2011 at 11:42:58 PM

Back to something of REALLY relevance...

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edited 18th Dec '11 11:43:48 PM by Anthony_H


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