Pretty Cure general thread

The problem is not in the object but in the intention. Usually a Colony Drop would cause a lot of damage and mass destruction if not stopped. Here it's just another attack that destroys a Monster of the Week (and the monster in question is a regular one, not a giant monster). Visually it may be similar, but the way it is used has nothing in common with a Colony Drop. So it doesn't seem like a straight example, especially if you look at the laconic of the trope.

EDIT: Kinda weird page topper...

edited 9th May '14 3:54:06 AM by shadowblack

Is there another trope for "character summons giant object from sky to fall on their enemies"?

If you look, the Colony Drop page has an entry for the Meteor spell in Final Fantasy, and similar moves where some large object falls on the enemy. Cure Honey's attack is just a magical girl version of this.

I'm not very good at remembering tropes, so I tried asking on Lost and Found.

I think Death from Above is the correct trope here, since Honey's attack drops a giant clover on the target, but the effect is nowhere near the devastation caused by a Colony Drop.

Or to use the Laconic for the two tropes:

• Falling objects which are fatal.
• Big Dumb Object falls, everyone dies.

Well, the attack is certainly fatal for the Monster of the Week, but the "everyone dies" part is clearly not in effect, despite the visuals. So I think it's Death from Above and not Colony Drop. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

I'm in favor of Death from Above. Colony Drop implies mass death and destruction, which is not the case with Cure Honey.

These two may literally be more bark than bite, but they are no less tenacious than everyone else.

Ah, I missed that one! I stand corrected.

edited 9th May '14 5:53:40 PM by universalperson

Well, this week's HaCha...

Melody's voice is a bit too high-pitched. Adorbs Megumom and Seijimom. Deep Mirror's silhouette goes back to its base form. Suspicious. Blue Sky Kingdom's current condition is kind of creepy. Ninja Yuyu. Metal Gear Solid time. Himedad looks very young. Himemom somehow reminds me of Elsa. Maybe it's the dress. More Metal Gear Solid. Our villain trio finds out and taunt Hime. Rollskater Yuyu. The Saiarks of Blue Sky are too strong! The HaCha's attacks are not effective! Gonna train more! Overall, it's bittersweet at best.

Next week's Cure is...*drumrolls*...Berry!

edited 11th May '14 9:41:48 AM by IrueruPunch

Episode 15, I skipped the last episode mostly bacause it's filler. This episode sorta answer the fridge logic regarding why the HaCha who still in tier 1 power is said to be the strongest team of Precure; the influence of Phantom Empire also affects the power of Precure. Since Japan is still pretty small in term of their influence, their power is still not yet nerfed compared to the Blue Sky where the entire kingdom is already fallen and Princess fled without a single win.

I notice the Saiarks in this episode are blue-scarfed, who is the creator? Is it even said?

We also don't know who turned Blue Sky citizens into Saiarks, right? My bet is Deep Mirror. Phantom's possible too, but I like to think his Saiarks (if he could summon them) have red scarves.

Also, is this the right time to add movie-related tropes to DDPC pages? I've added some Ho Yay, though.

edited 11th May '14 9:50:49 AM by IrueruPunch

Episode 15. It's Melody time. She sounds really off. Megumi, Seiji, and Mao are there for their moms. Meanwhile we still haven't seen Megumi's dad. Hime is pretty good at hiding her own pain. Cupcakes will do that to you. Megumi is on full hero/idiot mode, so it's off to Blue Sky. I'm liking Ribbon more and more as time goes on. She's likable and frequently the only one with a brain. The Phantom Empire weakening everyone is a good way to keep the Cures from storming Mirage. Ninjas are OP. Too bad Megumi and Yuuko make for terrible ninjas. And then they abandon stealth for roller-skates. Of course there's a secret passage. Hime's parents look really young. Nice for Hime to get a bit of happiness, even if it doesn't last long. Too bad she has to ruin it by arguing with Hoshiwaa. The Phantom Empire didn't know Princess was the princess? Huh. Villains bickering is always funny. They really are weak if the mooks are giving them a hard time. Lovely Blaster is yet another powerful technique Lovely has. All in all, good episode. Next episode however has Masuko. That means instant win.

The movie has been fansubbed.

I know. I was just asking whether it's the right time to add the tropes or not.

EDIT: Never mind. Anyway, have anyone play any of Precure games? Are they good?

edited 13th May '14 2:04:45 AM by IrueruPunch

Took the words right out of my mouth. Also... "Lovely Beam", "Lovely Punching Punch", "Lovely Rising Sword" and now "Lovely Blaster"? it's official, Megumi is Mazinkaiser. We just need some kind of wind/breath move now and maybe a Lovely Nova. EDIT: Hah!

edited 13th May '14 5:43:10 PM by Prime32

Question - do the villains in Pretty Cure share the same motifs as the Cures? I've consulted the actual series's, but they didn't really answer my question.

I ask because I'm planning a fanseries where the heroes have a precious metal motif and the villains have a chess motif, and I'd like to know.

Sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't. Going through each one:

• The villains in the stories about Cure Black and Cure White had kind of a "darkness" motif that was the opposite of the Cures' symbolism as the "Emissaries of Light."
• Splash Star has both the Cures and the villains being nature/elemental power based.
• YPC 5 and YPC 5 Go Go don't have the villains share the Cures' butterfly and rose motifs.
• In Fresh, the villains kind of have a "four directions" motif and the Cures have fruits, card symbols and clovers, so those are different too.
• Heartcatch has the Cures and villains be opposites, since the Cures have a flower motif and the villains have a desert theme.
• Suite has both groups with a music theme.
• Smile gives the Cures kind of a rainbow motif and the villains have a "fairy tale villains" theme so that's different.
• Doki Doki Pre Cure is also different where the Cures have a playing cards theme and the villains have a selfishness/seven deadly sins theme.

There's really only two seasons (Splash Star and Suite) where the Cures have the same theme as the villains, so I don't think it would be unusual for the Cures and villains to have unrelated themes for their groups.

edited 15th May '14 4:32:48 PM by Rainbow

Hmm...off the top of my head:

Splash Star: Flower/Moon and Bird/Wind against elemental themed villains (wood, fire, earth, water, metal).

Fresh: Four dancing fruits versus winds.

Suite: Music versus music.

Smile: Cures are really elemental themed, and fight Fairy tale villains.

Doki Doki: Playing cards versus seven deadly sins.

Happiness Charge: ...actually, I have no idea what the motif is, for the heroes or the villains.

Weren't both Yes 5's have poisonous animals villains? Those are dangerous to both butterflies and roses.

Suite's theme naming are all over the place, though they're mostly boil down to music. Except Aphrodite and Mephisto, for some reasons.

Also, Smile's is fairy tale protagonists' traits vs fairy tale antagonists. I think?

HaCha's is how you describe your loved ones vs what makes your loved ones hate you. Of course, this is just my interpretation.

Speaking of which, Mana's cameo in HaCha episode 12 is a Stealth Pun, now that I think about it. Which episode Regina first appeared in outside of the opening? Also, 2 times 6 equals 12.

edited 15th May '14 9:35:08 PM by IrueruPunch

I think, the protagonist and antagonist groups as the whole are direct opposite of each other. But there are several that pretty subtle, or should I say opposite in term of ideologies.

Splash Star, for example, take their power from nature. The Cure are from the eponymous Japanese proverb while Dark Fall warriors are from Chinese elements. Beside the obvious antagonism between Japanese and Chinese, Dark Fall is corrupted by an element that shouldn't be there; before the whole power of destruction thing, the warriors and the Uzaina are spirits that came from the Fountains in the usual cycle of death and rebirth.

Yes Precure5 has the Cures with affinities for butterfly and the antagonist in despair-ridden corrupt corporation. The butterfly is an allusion of Zhuangzi, who is famous for his "Once I dreamt I was a butterfly" and since then butterfly becomes a symbol of dream. Nightmare is basically a Take That! for Japanese's salarymen culture, where people become wage slave for the corporation with almost zero ambition for themselves.

Fresh is basically Romanticism Versus Enlightenment, with the Cures representing the humane environment. What I see in the Clover Town Street, it's a place with very strong familial bond and comfort with some difficulty when communication between people fails in contrast of Labyrinth where people will go to eat when it's dictated to them but in a way more practical in wake of Moebius's reason when he was created. There's an idiom about clover (which I forget of the exact idiom) that explain the situation with both the Town Street and Labyrinth, with different result because of the aforementioned ideology clash.

Suite's "good music and bad music" is proved in the finale (though Hummy is basically hinting this the entire time with her usual naive way) as a fallacy. Both the Cures and the villains' names came from musical terms, and none is better then the others. Those who are sad doesn't want to be sad, the antagonists are mostly petty until the finale takes the stage, everyone have Heel–Face Turn at the end as the closure of the season. In short, Rousseau Was Right with a dash of... racism is wrong? That's the only way I can describe Noise's situation.

And I had explained about Doki's.

In short, the premise theme of the Cures and the villains can be wildly different, but if it fits the philosophical theme as the whole, then it's okay.

edited 16th May '14 5:18:06 AM by AlaAlba

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I think most of the villains are thematically related, but not motif related. Except for Suite, cause everything was music related there.

Speaking of Suite, it's time to look at its glorious leader. She's proof that tomboys are not yet dead as leads in the series, yet several things just don't add up. Making her debut is the wild Cure Melody.

As the main character of Suite, Hibiki plays a pretty important role obviously. She's the third tomboy lead in the series, taking after Nagisa and Saki. Probably not coincidentally, she's a straight up duo with her partner just like they are. Is there some rule that tomboys I don't know? Anyway, while Nagisa and Saki tried to pretend they shared the lead role, it was always clear who was front and center. Hibiki does that too, but she actually hides it better than them. Or at least better than Nagisa. She doesn't immediately stand out from Kanade too much in either the opening or the first couple episodes. Too bad she gets all the focus later on.

Hibiki has two notable traits. The first is playing music, which is shared with everyone in the show. But while everyone else in Kanon likes it without question, she has a slightly more complicated relationship with it. Mostly because her dad sucks, but whatever. She comes from a musically inclined family, and as such inevitably compares herself to them, seeing herself not quite as good. As such, her confidence isn't as high as it should be, given her skill level. Yet she does perfectly fine in her athleticism, doing whatever she feels like doing. Jogging, weight lifting, soccer, the list goes on. She's a natural at sports and is gifted in music. Sure she may not be great academically, she's good at the important stuff in this show. What I'm saying is that she's proto-Mana.

Eh, that's not accurate to her character. She rarely thinks things through and just lets the situation flow, not concerning herself with the consequences of her actions until they stare her right in the face. It's part of the reason she kept stealing Kanade's cupcakes in the beginning. Annoyed at Kanade + wanting delicious sweets = get them in a way that avoids her. To her credit, she's not as stubborn as Kanade, and is more willing to admit her mistakes, as long as she sees them of course. She may not be all that smart or observant, but she gets along with others easily, not caring much how others think of them. She's strangely immune to boys' charms, seeing how she's not infatuated with Ouji. It's a nice relief considering her archetype actually. All in all, an easy person to get along with, caring for everyone.

As I mentioned in Kanade's day, her relationship with Kanade is what drove the show for a quarter of the show, before the cats and Muse took over. They're best friends, except they're when they're fighting, which was all the time. That's what happens when one is stubborn and the other doesn't think enough. Regardless, Hibiki does treasure Kanade, and no matter how often Siren or Trio the Minor tried to separate them, she always went back to her. She may be easily fooled, but if there's one person she knows, it's Kanade. I still say they were dating, and they didn't realize it. Unfortunately they have a tendency to take out their frustrations on one another, which really went on far too long. But once they finally got their act together, they harmonized pretty well.

Too bad Hibiki didn't get to have her relationship with everyone else explored. She's supportive of Ellen and Ako fully when they go through their struggles. Heck, Hibiki forgave Ellen very quickly considering how many times she was tricked. Whenever Kanade wouldn't do, she confided in Ellen for her worries. Hibiki was Ako's prime target for snark aside from Souta, and she kind of deserved it. Really, she seems to get along well with kids, between how she handled those preschool kids and is friendly with Souta. Hummy and the Fairy Tones live with her, which is probably a relief for her, since otherwise she'd be pretty alone. Yeah, Hibiki has a big house, but her mother is always out of country, and her father is constantly busy. If it weren't for Kanade she'd be pretty lonely when she was younger. Her father was a terrible teacher by the way, killing her music ambitions for years. Then there's her weird relationship with Waon, which I'm not sure what to say about. Waon certainly is there for Hibiki, even if her actual help is questionable. Then there were her Fairy Tones, Dory and Miry. Not much to say there.

I give Mana (sorry for bringing her up again) a lot of flack, but honestly Hibiki might be a worse example of pink bias. At least Mana was always the sole main protagonist of her show, but Hibiki was supposed to pretend to share it with Kanade. Okay, it's not too bad at first, but it piles up. The first part is when she gets her Belltier in a Kanade episode, which always left my head scratching. Then there's her favoritism from Crescendo Tine, who calls out to her because...because she's pink apparently. Around that time she began dominating the speeches, putting her more in the spotlight. Then came the movie, where she, and only she got a random power-up. Now, normally I don't mind some favoritism in the movie. I don't mind Dream, Peach, Happy, or Heart taking over their movies. However, Hibiki is a duo with Kanade, and separating them that much just emphasized how much unwarranted love she was getting. Plus, that was supposed to be an Ako movie. Towards the end she started getting scenes better fitted to other characters, and she got extra time with her family while Kanade was off to the side. Then she was the one to break through to Noise even though Ako was the one who befriended him earlier. While Mana remains worse overall for being that way the entire show, Hibiki got really close with the stunts she pulled at the end.

As Cure Melody she represents...I don't know. Wild is the word that stands out in her transformation speech, but that's not something that's applicable to her. Energetic? Eh, sure. She has plenty of energy and is hard to keep down. Her fighting was more aggressive in nature, at least when she wasn't coordinating perfectly with Rhythm, which she did a lot of. She had lots and lots of attacks, because Suite was looking for excuses to claim it wasn't filler. She's a solid fighter, but there's nothing that stands out for her. Oh well. At least her fights were consistently decent. Also, maybe it's just me, but pink does not suit her. Or at least that amount of pink. Orange like Bloom would've been better.

Hibiki isn't one of my favorite Cures, but aside from all extra focus she gets I don't have any reason to dislike her. She's nice and fun, retaining plenty of qualities that make her a strong character without making her perfect. Early show she was written well, and even later on her drama was decent. She got really lucky, managing to be important despite not being from Major Land. Hopefully she and Kanade will continue to enjoy each other's company in the All Stars movies.

Mana was honoring those who are explicitly shown to love her the most. Which are Regina, Jun (debatable, but a whole episode was dedicated to Ship Tease him with Mana), Nikaidou, and Rikka. The first two's pun came from the episode they appeared in, and the latter two's came from the equation of the number in their names (okay, you could use 3x4, but 2x6 is the most common one to use).

Speaking of which, Juujou and Momota should've switched numbers. Screw that stupid Visual Pun, it's to make Mana's Childhood Friends all even-numbered playing cards' numbers.

Wasn't Noise just using Ako's befriending for attacking Otokichi, which he failed anyway? I'm not saying that Ako's befriending was meaningless. I just think both Ako and Noise didn't care much about each other, even after the befriending. Of course, this is just me.

Because I don't want to double-posts, this week in HaCha!

Phantom's still kicking other Cures' asses. Mascomiyo gets curious, and decides to stalk our heroines. mktn does say knpk. Our heroines get panicked. Mascomiyo super prepared. Derpgumi. Even Seiji can't believe it. Backstory time. Mascomiyo met Cure Tender once. Apparently Mascomiyo is too old to become a Precure, but Blue gives her Love Crystal anyway. Namakelder so savvy. Saiark'd Mascomiyo too strong. Coconuts Samba time. Long time no see, Twin Miracle Power Shoot. Oh, is that girl on the right another Wonderful Nets or a Cure from another country? And Fortune's scene from the preview? That's her only scene.

Next week's Cure is...*drumrolls*...Rouge!

edited 17th May '14 6:17:22 PM by IrueruPunch

Episode 16 might be the most misleading preview. mktn being knpk as usual, but her Berry Sword doesn't blink like Pine's.

To be honest I'm surprised that Masuko is the first who notice things that lead up to those three, but I also admire her for being quite observant. But seriously, how in the hell she knows that Princess is a selfish little brat when Precure battle usually don't go that long for their personalities to show?

This episode, at its root, is technically the observation over the infamous concept from All Stars New Stage; every girl can be a Precure. I guess the Exact Word is in work here, only girls can be one. But her work of spreading hope and happiness is no less important than the Precures'. There's also the thing with "enemy has information about the Cures and the Cures jobbed against the enemy". We also see the instence where purifying the Saiark doesn't enough to grant the Cures the Precards, but granting happiness to the victim does. So it's like in Fresh, then?

Time for perfection to shine. Berry may be perfect, but she's outshined by today's star. What is it with Fresh Cures losing to spotlight to Masuko? Well, she's certainly more impressive than her predecessor, managing to narrow down the location pretty well. Then she figures out her targets and their personalities. How she figured out Princess is shy I have no idea. Even the teacher is a fan of them. Nothing can stop Miyo as she barges into Megumi's house. So Mao is a fan. Looks like Miyo was saved by Cure Tender in the past. It looks like the government was trying to do something about this whole invasion thing before they apparently gave up and left it to the middle school girls. Megumi is officially worse at hiding her identity than Nozomi, Love, Miyuki, and Mana combined. Miyo wants to become a Cure. I approve. The Love Crystals do not. So she is an adult. Of course she just happens to run into Namakelder. It seems that she can sort of see what was going on. Interesting. Honey's new form change is much better than the first one. Their identities are safe for now, but I have the feeling that won't last forever.

Does anyone else feel like we've been getting more focus on Megumi? 12 is a Megumi epsiode, 13 is split between Megumi, Fortune, Blue, and Phantom, in 16 our intrepid reporter visits Megumi's house, and 17 is about Megumi and Seiji ' s relationship.

Hmm. Maybe it's really that we're getting less focus on Hime.

edited 22nd May '14 6:50:51 AM by universalperson

I just finished the Doki Doki movie, and.. I'm feeling a little disappointed. Up until they got out of the memory worlds it was fine, but after that something was missing. Maybe it's because the Big Bad was one-shotted and put up even less of a fight than the series' Big Bad, maybe it's because the wedding seemed rather pointless (it could have been replaced by something else and nothing would have been lost), maybe it's something else, but in the end something about it just felt off, like something was missing.

Hopefully the Happiness Charge movie (no doubt there will be one in a few months) will be better.

I liked episode 16 of Yes! It subverts the running theme (so far from my perspective, anyway) that every Cure is an Instant Expert at their talent of choice, and that harsh criticism, especially for writers, is often what you need to stop yourself from getting too wrapped up in your own stories.