Amnesty wants to Arrest George Bush For Torture

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/12/amnesty-canada-required-to-arrest-george-w-bush/

A group in Canada wants to arrest George Bush for his use of tortue for info.

In fact, Bush might become unable to visit Europe anymore: like all the African tinpot dictators, he could be served a warrant from a UN human rights tribunal.

Ordering people tortured (something W admitted to doing) is a violation of international law. Now that he's not the President anymore, he doesn't have immunity.

edited 12th Oct '11 7:59:25 PM by SavageHeathen

1. Most Canadians would support this, we hate Bush. Even my conservative uncle.

2. "London-based group" is from London, Ontario, for the confused.

See now, when Amnesty International does silly things like this they vindicate my disdain for them.

It's Cheney they're after. They just want the higher-profile scapegoat. Not that Bush wasn't complicit, but Cheney has done far worse, I'd bet, than simple torture of prisoners.

Fuck it we'll arrest both of them.

This is Amnesty Canada, mind you.

edited 12th Oct '11 8:04:31 PM by Erock

Thing is, the Euros comply with those warrants, and UN tribunals issue them.

Any Bush vacation the other side of the Atlantic could have him arrested like Pinochet. It would be quite appropriate, to be honest. Bush can't be described as a fan of the Geneva Convention, and its violators should be prosecuted.

@USAF: We all knew Cheney was the Rulah In Da Shadows, but he wasn't supposed to be in charge. Cheney's nasty shit was done on Presidential authority, not that of the VP (for they have none). Even if Bush was a rubber-stamp for Cheney's will (everybody knows), he is legally liable. I just let the VP make the decisions isn't a valid defense before an UN tribunal.

edited 12th Oct '11 8:08:29 PM by SavageHeathen

That explains a lot; they need to get a fuckin clue and let it go.

Eh, not much caring about what this international groups say from me. I have the same view of them as NWA has of the police.

edited 12th Oct '11 8:07:19 PM by MarkVonLewis

Too bad "Fuck D' Amnesty International" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

True that.

More reason for me to ignore them.

I realize that, but I think we should (maybe not necessarily proverbially) hang Cheney first. They're barking up the wrong tree, IMO.

Besides that, I think Bush is going to serve out his punishment for the rest of his life, by earning hatred from groups like this (and, as I understand it, whole countries). Shafted by politics and history, hated wherever he goes, and unable to justify his inaction. I'd say I feel bad for him—and to an extent, I do—but then I remember what he allowed Cheney to get away with.

Such a mess, such a mess...

Well it was a criminal action and therefore should be prosecuted. Good luck extraditing a former president though.

I wonder still what these folks will get out of arresting Bush.I know Bush is very hated in Canada but what will to show for it anyway.

Also I think Bush should be in my opinion left alone in this case because coming from USAF@ mouth he is already hated by everyone around the world except in Georgia and parts of Africa where he helped stop aids.I still wonder if 9/11 didn't happen that he would have had a better presidency.

edited 12th Oct '11 9:06:59 PM by joyflower

...putting a criminal behind bars? (well, if they get a conviction)

Yeah... Bush is pretty well hated here.

While Cheney got off easy as "the guy who can't shoot straight."

Really, I think Bush got the much worse end of the bargain, all things considered. At best, he'll be remembered as the "President" who let the murderous neocon walk all over him, and at worst he'll just be remembered as the guy who did all the things Cheney was actually responsible for, as people don't care to draw a line between them.

Sad, honestly. He was almost a decent president. History and politics conspired against him, however.

edited 12th Oct '11 9:07:21 PM by USAF713

USAF@Would this make him a Jerkass Woobie or just a Sympathy for the Devil moment for you?

I think this is another reason why he doesn't want to get into politics because from what I have seen it can break your spirit espically if you are unpopular.

edited 12th Oct '11 9:12:56 PM by joyflower

Probably Jerkass Woobie, while Cheney was the Big Bad of 2000-2008.

USAF@I have noticed that Cheney is more politcally active than Bush is right now.I think what is overlooked is Bush actually did some good things during his presidency but unfortunatly were glossed over by his more well-known blunders.

Heck,Bush seems to only appear in the spotlight when its for Humanitarian aid like Haiti or events that relate to 9/11.

I wonder do you think you would ever interview George Bush if you ever meet or would you punch him to the face because of his blunders.

edited 12th Oct '11 9:19:30 PM by joyflower

Interview.

I'd shoot Cheney.

In a hunting accident, of course.

USAF@Why do I have the feeling that there would be an animated movie adaption of him with Cheney as the villian of it all and as a Bonus it will be a musical?

On topic:Why don't they just go after Cheney or Amnesty isn't that bright?

Amnesty is made up of people and people are gullible lemmings that follow whatever the news tells them, and the news painted Bush as the incompetent fuck up (which, granted, is probably mostly true) that maliciously and/or stupidly caused and/or allowed the ridiculous failure of US policy that was the 2000s.

Nobody paid attention to Cheney, of course, until later on. It's telling that the average American only knows who the guy is because of that accident. Think what the international population must know about him, then, if the local populace barely knows his name, let alone what he did as a government official.

USAF@Reason number 99 why I don't want to be President because anything my Vice-President might do can be misblamed on me and I have to deal with it my whole life afterwards.I wonder what would have happened if Al Gore got the election for president and if it would have been the same as Bush but a little bit different.

I wonder if Bush should just stay in the states for the rest of his life so he can avoid being put into prison by the Interenational Community.

edited 12th Oct '11 9:34:20 PM by joyflower

Gore probably wouldn't have gone to Iraq. Other than that, I couldn't say, really.

Normally the VP doesn't have much in the way of power. Cheney is a... special case. His special case is that he should be the one in front of a UN trial. I guess I could see some kind of American sanctions against Bush, but I wouldn't throw him to the international wolves. Cheney, on the other hand...

Cheney can rot in an international prison. Or, if the Europeans can stomach it, they can execute him. Probably wouldn't, but, hey, maybe they'd make an exception? Who knows...

USAF@I wonder why Bush chose Dick Cheney in the first place at all because remember I was just about seven and three quarters when the 2000 election happened.

I still think the claims he orchestrated the 9/11 attacks is just bull because he's a goof up but not a person willing to do that.

Bush does really seem to believe he wanted to do good for the sake of his country but messed up in how he handled it and who he picked to see over it plus he gave too much power to his VP.

edited 12th Oct '11 9:43:44 PM by joyflower

I don't recall specifically. TIME Magazine had an article on Cheney's autobiography that basically explained the whole Bush Presidency in a nutshell, and it amounted to "Cheney says something, bitchslaps anyone who disagrees, and then it happens."

Rereading Bush's memoir in comparison to Cheney's autobiography is on the to-do list...