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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#1: Sep 13th 2011 at 10:01:21 AM

As a carryover from the thread about Empty Levels...

Motion to pull

Pic doesn't display the trope at all.

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#2: Sep 13th 2011 at 10:16:59 AM

Seconding pull.

Even though it kinda shows the trope (the character is unhappy about leveling up, which implies that it's a bad thing somehow), but it doesn't do a very good job of it at all. You have to be familiar with the trope to know what's going on.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#3: Sep 13th 2011 at 11:30:54 AM

Hm, it's not bad but the pic could also be interpreted as applying to a Low-Level Run which is not the trope.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#4: Sep 13th 2011 at 12:28:52 PM

Isn't this like the millionth time we've had this IP?

Support pull.

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RobinZimm Since: Jan, 2001
#5: Sep 13th 2011 at 12:54:22 PM

I put this image on Empty Levels, originally — I thought it fit either trope. A dismayed reaction to gaining a level isn't a bad picture for a trope about games where you don't want to gain levels. Keep.

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#6: Sep 13th 2011 at 8:41:40 PM

Thing is, there's more to this trope than the picture shows. The trope is "Gaining levels makes the game harder", while the pic just shows a character unhappy about leveling up without any explanation as to why. If the comic showed a nearby enemy leveling up along with the character, it would make more sense.

As is, the picture doesn't demonstrate the fact that leveling up makes the game more difficult.

edited 13th Sep '11 8:42:31 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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shadowofx Since: Jul, 2010
#7: Oct 13th 2011 at 2:27:22 PM

Random person advice: A dual screenshot of Oblivion that shows the same situation, only one at level 1, the other at level 30? Screens of the titular Oblivion Gates should work, since at level 1 a PC would only face Stunted Scamps, whereas at level 30 one would face Storm Atronachs or Xivilai. The latter two are visually much more threatening than the former, so one need not have played the game to get the idea.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#8: Nov 13th 2011 at 8:28:17 AM

Bump...anyone else for/against the pull motion?

Cider The Final ECW Champion from Not New York Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#9: Nov 13th 2011 at 8:43:09 PM

It is an actual example that doesn't mislead a reader in anyway. Low Level Advantage—level 2 is bad—understandable. You give people too little credit. Leave it.

edited 7th Mar '12 7:57:15 PM by Cider

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AweStriker RM/8 from a moving point. Since: Jul, 2010
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#10: Nov 13th 2011 at 8:59:39 PM

It's unclear. Nothing indicates that the character is receiving a benefit from being Level 1. Pull.

edited 13th Nov '11 8:59:55 PM by AweStriker

"Only now, after being besieged by a flock of talking ponies, did he really understand what he'd lost. "
Cider The Final ECW Champion from Not New York Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#11: Nov 13th 2011 at 9:08:37 PM

The character is in expressing distress at reaching level 2 so it is clear she was happier at level 1.

If an example shows the trope and isn't misleading it is not bad and doesn't need to be pulled.

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#12: Nov 13th 2011 at 9:23:39 PM

[up]It's not a matter of "they're happier at level one", it's specifically "leveling up makes the game harder". That isn't shown in the image. The character might be unhappy about the level up for reasons other than that the game got harder.

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#14: Nov 14th 2011 at 2:04:12 PM

...where there are particular advantages to refraining from Level Grinding... This can exist when there are benefits that are Lost Forever if you try immediate grinding, but also when there are tactical advantages caused by a level gain. Or when the game uses Empty Levels....

You guys are over simplifying what is a very broad trope. As long as there is any advantage in the lower level it doesn't matter. Maybe the game easier at level 2 but level two keeps you from returning to the Noob Cave which has something really fun in it or makes prices go up or any number of things that could cause someone to shout "flaming fudge cakes no!"

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AweStriker RM/8 from a moving point. Since: Jul, 2010
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#15: Nov 15th 2011 at 12:34:30 PM

Here's the real deal, though.

The current image is a reaction to Low-Level Advantage being in play.

Low-Level Advantage is not a reaction trope.

Ergo, the current image does not adequately display Low-Level Advantage.

"Only now, after being besieged by a flock of talking ponies, did he really understand what he'd lost. "
JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#18: Nov 15th 2011 at 9:17:42 PM

I think it's perfectly kubis.

edited 15th Nov '11 9:18:00 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#21: Jan 9th 2012 at 11:06:27 AM

"Great Flaming Fudgechunks No!!"

Despite it giving me a new phrase to try and use, it doesn't fit the trope. Pull it.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#22: Jan 9th 2012 at 11:12:08 AM

Yeah, concur with the pull. The trope is not "catgirl proclaiming she doesn't like to level up".

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#24: Jan 9th 2012 at 7:07:34 PM

Watched the full video. Definitely liked what happened around 2:00 or so where "Ding! Level 2" is answered by those cute bunnies Poof!-ing into giant bunny monsters.

edited 9th Jan '12 7:08:00 PM by Stratadrake

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werebunny131 Since: Feb, 2010
#25: Jan 30th 2012 at 5:07:43 PM

What about one of the cards from Munchkin who won't attack players below a certain level?

Like this.


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