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IronLion Since: Feb, 2010
#1: Aug 31st 2011 at 10:47:02 AM

Rouge Angles of Satin, while objective and often worth mentioning, doesn't have any bearing on the plot and isn't used intentionally (and if it was, it would be Stylistic Suck or Inherited Illiteracy Title). Should it be considered trivia instead of a trope?

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#2: Aug 31st 2011 at 10:48:44 AM

I think so. Also, the page could use a clean up.

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#3: Aug 31st 2011 at 12:45:13 PM

I'd restrict it to in-universe examples, but I think those are common enough that it should be a subtrope of Stylistic Suck.

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#4: Aug 31st 2011 at 4:26:06 PM

But then what would the example from Not Always Right fall into?

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#6: Aug 31st 2011 at 4:55:32 PM

[up] What the heck are you bumping for? The previous post wasn't even half an hour ago!

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dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#7: Aug 31st 2011 at 4:56:48 PM

I don't think the definition should be restricted to in universe.

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#8: Sep 1st 2011 at 7:52:20 AM

I don't know... I think, for example, citing it on a fanfic with bad spelling (like My Immortal) is just snarking for the sake of snark, which dances the line of mean-spiritedness. Besides, in cases like that, it is Trivia more than anything else.

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#9: Sep 1st 2011 at 8:00:25 AM

[up]Okay, but what about the cases when the error gets lampshaded?

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dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#11: Sep 1st 2011 at 8:47:12 AM

Maybe there should be a page split between intentional and unintentional examples.

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#12: Sep 1st 2011 at 3:16:57 PM

Aren't unintentional/unlampshaded examples just low work quality? "Spelling error" is Not A Trope. I'm for leaving it but restricting it to in-universe examples.

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#14: Sep 2nd 2011 at 1:37:37 AM

Thirding. Unless they're used intentionally, spelling errors aren't something the author put in the work for a purpose.

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#15: Sep 2nd 2011 at 6:01:16 PM

nthing the in-universe suggestion. Seems like the only reasonable option to me.

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#16: Sep 3rd 2011 at 1:55:43 AM

Agreed with in-universe only, no split.

IronLion Since: Feb, 2010
#17: Sep 3rd 2011 at 5:00:56 AM

Looks like the consensus is for in-universe only examples. Shall we nuke the current examples list and run it back through YKTTW?

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#18: Sep 3rd 2011 at 5:02:20 AM

[up]No, let's just go through the page and cut out everything that doesn't fit.

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IronLion Since: Feb, 2010
#19: Sep 3rd 2011 at 5:05:31 AM

By my estimation that'd be at least 90% of it.

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IronLion Since: Feb, 2010
#21: Sep 3rd 2011 at 5:30:19 AM

Done. Not as many as I'd thought. Wicks still need looking at, and description could use a tweak.

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#22: Sep 3rd 2011 at 6:29:44 AM

[up]Thank you!

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#23: Sep 3rd 2011 at 3:15:00 PM

The bit about duck/duct tape (in the Other Mistakes section) is nattery and argues with itself. Since even historians aren't completely certain (according to the Other Wiki), I think the entry should go. Any disagreement?

In fact, the whole Other Mistakes section looks like it could use some pruning and de-natterfying. I hesitate to do so myself, because, as a descriptivist, I'd be too tempted to wield a chainsaw instead of a scalpel.

edited 3rd Sep '11 3:19:12 PM by Xtifr

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#24: Sep 20th 2011 at 5:31:24 PM

All right, so the Commonly Misspelled folder is just a list of word pairs and what the difference is between each spelling.

It's still an important tool. (So that aspiring writers know the difference.)

Therefore, the contents of that folder should be relocated to the Useful Notes Name Space, as it is a series of notes useful to aspiring writers.

edited 20th Sep '11 5:32:09 PM by DonaldthePotholer

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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#25: Oct 6th 2011 at 4:53:40 PM

I think both the Commonly Misspelled folder and most if not all of the Other Mistakes folder could be merged with The Big List of Booboos and Blunders into a Useful Notes page. The most practical method would probably be to create a sandbox and make a special efforts thread, to get examples moved (and cleaned/pruned, if necessary). Or move The Big List to the Useful Notes namespace (which is where it probably should be anyway) and merge this page's lists in. I'd volunteer, but I'm already involved in a few other projects and don't really have more time I can dedicate to this.


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