All Purpose Naruto Fanfiction Thread

You know perfectly well that you're just being pedantic over the terminology I used. Or at least, you should realize that much.

And here's a big shocker for you:

Naruto is inspiring. Not charming. There's a difference. He can inspire a crowd. He can give people hope. He can't, however, charm the pants off a woman to save his life.

He is not and will never be The Pornomancer.

For the same reason that Naruto isn't causing panties to drop everywhere he goes in the Naruto world, he wouldn't in the Negima world.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

What, didn't you read the latest chapter? Naruto was super popular with the academy girls.

In all honesty the only 3A girl I've ever felt like shipping her with Naruto was a stretch was Chisame.

... no, she's the last girl who would fall for him. Hell, even Naruto Chaos Mage realizes that.

at least Touta hasn't yet gone back in time to steal Negi's harem yet.

I hate to break this to you, but apparently the latest chapters are implying Touta, after meeting Distant Past! Eva, will make Eva fall for Nagi (and by extension, Negi), because Nagi will unconsciously remind her of Touta.

edited 21st May '15 5:30:41 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

In fairness Nagi is kinda a dick and Touta, despite being a standard shonen hero, is for the most part a Nice Guy.

So really, whole Oedipus Complex aside, Eva and Touta seems better than Eva and Nagi.

IANCE: I'm not calling Naruto a Pornomancer. But given his positive attributes and whether he'd be placed in a 'harem set up' situation. I just don't see it as that big a stretch. After all, most harem leads wouldn't even get one girl attracted to them if they weren't placed in a contrived situation that'd enable it.

edited 21st May '15 5:37:30 PM by Archivist10

Thing is Naruto has no reason to be placed in 3-A. Or even be near them at all.

Sending him there on an undercover mission makes no sense. That's outside of Naruto's skill set. So is being a teacher at least at the age (15-18) Naruto arrives at Mahora. Maybe if he were older (20+), but he'd lose his job so fast if any harem antics started happening given we're talking about middle-schoolers.

Also Naruto hated school. He'd constantly skip and slack off if he had to play the part of a student.

Then there's the whole "sealed away for the last 1000+ years" plot device. Why would Naruto stay at the school? Sure he has nowhere else to go, but really he'd fit in better in Mundus Magicus. Maybe as Rakan's sidekick.

The biggest issue: Naruto is a boy. Why would a boy be placed in an all-girls school? Negi's their teacher and it goes without saying his placement in the dorms was obviously deliberate and could be excused because of his young age. Naruto is usually 15+ (several 1000 years). That's not happening.

edited 21st May '15 6:15:39 PM by WorldTurtle2

@rik

That's still not the same thing. After all, he had to become a world renowned hero in order to get those fangirls, and it's clear that they're not after him because of him, but rather because of what he's done.

In that regard, he's kind of in the same boat as Harry Potter.

@NDC

Well, there's more reasons to disregard UQ Holder!'s existence, then. It's not like there's any reason to recognize its existence or anything.

@Archivist

Yeah, fixate on the 'pornomancer' part and totally ignore the rest of the post, will ya?

Let me say it again.

Naruto does not have the right kind of charisma. He's got the Charisma of a leader, in the sense that he can inspire people and raise morale. However, the fact is that he is not capable of natural gigolo talk the way most Harem Leads are.

Put simply, Naruto just would not say the right thing at the right time to get a girl to fall for him. In fact, he'd probably say and do something stupid that will defuse the situation in such a way that he also murders the romantic tension. Basically, he's got the exact same potential to form an Unwanted Harem as Son Goku does. It helps him build friends and avoids an Unwanted Harem.

The stupid setups for most of those fics led me to write one in which Naruto winds up a Janitor on the boys' side, because he couldn't hold any other job at the academy while they worked on sending him back, and in which he was an Unknown Rival to Negi, probably because he kinda reminded him of Sasuke (before he went cuckoo anyway).

Put simply, that is as close as I can get to how Naruto in Mahora would actually play out.

If he was a product of the past by being sealed in there forever (which he couldn't possibly be because the Elemental Nations cannot lead to the current modern world so by necessity he has to be in alternate world) then I would've just had Chao drop by with a Time Machine and send him back before he can cause trouble, which he would gladly agree to because he has no reason to be in this future world that doesn't want him and in which he has no one.

edited 21st May '15 6:30:07 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

More pertinently, it's not the same thing because he was full of shit when he said that and the reader knows it. This was the same bit where he claimed that he was the top of the class and had social skills. I was making one of your human jokes.

edited 21st May '15 6:41:29 PM by rikalous

So really, whole Oedipus Complex aside, Eva and Touta seems better than Eva and Nagi.

Except because Eva actually treats Touta as her belonging, far more than she ever did with Negi, whom she, for the most part, recognized as an independent being with his own capacity to decide his own destiny.As for Nagi, he, unlike Touta, actually could put his foot down to her, but Touta is trapped in a dependent link to her.

Touta and Evangeline's relationship is hideously unhealthy.

edited 21st May '15 6:48:24 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

@rikalous

well, you did bring up a legitimate point that I felt I needed to counter before Archivist tried to use it as 'ammunition', so to speak. Even if you were joking, which your signature tells me you probably were, there's still the fact that the point you raised was actually one that should be considered.

Dood, you're never gonna convince him that any relationship that involves a stiff, personality-challenged stock Idiot Hero Shonen Action Protagonist and an attractive female isn't better than a relationship between that same woman with any other character.

edited 21st May '15 7:13:15 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

You were addressing a point other than what I was talking about, though. Naruto can't have been talking about fangirls he picked up when he became a hero. He was talking about him and Sasuke both having fangirls, and by the time Naruto was Konoha's beloved hero Sasuke wasn't even present for schoolgirls to develop crushes on. He was too busy wandering the earth on missions to destroy and/or defend Konoha.

Ah, I see, you're talking about how he claims he was popular to Salad. I was talking about the fact that he does legitimately have academy-level fangirls in chapter 700.

Yeah, Naruto was full of shit when he claimed he was not the massive loser he was during the academy.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

That was funny, the butthurt of being unpopular was so strong he tries to impress little girls, a decade and a half after he saved the world, with lies about how he was cool in school.

edited 21st May '15 9:55:36 PM by Ironypus

Dude, I wasn't going to use that to help make my point because I knew that rik was referring to Naruto lying in the most recent chapter.

You know as much as I dislike fics when Naruto is sent to another world and basically becomes the new main character. There are moments where I feel it can go into the opposite direction. Crossovers where Naruto is sent to a new world and is limited to the level of a normal human or even though its OCC of him hides his abilities. Even when peoples' lives are in danger. I feel reducing Naruto to the level of a normal human (by choice or a power limiter) would defeat the point of the crossover. To me a crossover is when both sides bring what they have to the table. Without his ninja skills or Kyuubi Naruto might as well be an OC lookalike.

For example: horror survival crossovers. Specifically, some of the High School of the Dead X-Overs I've read have Naruto (when they haven't been limited/sealed in some way) choose to keep his abilities hidden… despite being in the middle of a Zombie Apocalypse. That is not the time to hide you mad ninja skills!

I don't care how much tension it'd remove. Sometimes I just want to see a straight up fight between Naruto's 1000+ Kage Bushin Army vs. The Undead Hoard or "Them".

edited 23rd May '15 12:56:20 PM by WorldTurtle2

It's even worse when it's Naruto choosing to 'Hide' his abilities or identity or whatnot.

This is Naruto. If he went back to the past for whatever reason, he would not be smart enough to remember that if he changes the future his future knowledge becomes useless. Naruto is a good choice for a Peggy Sue because unlike most others, he wouldn't make it boring by just rehashing canon, he'd go out and change things.

Anyway, the point is, Naruto would not choose to hide his abilities when he can make a difference using them.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

So, things to avoid when doing a Naruto crossover.

1. Having Naruto steal the love interest(s) of the main character of the other series.

1-a. Especially if you have to rewrite Naruto's personality to make it believable.

2. Having Naruto hide his abilities for no reason.

2-a. Especially when he actually has reasons not to hide them.

3. Scaling up Naruto's abilities so he can steal the spotlight from the other series.

4. Rehashing the storyline of the other series while replacing the main character with Naruto.

5. Altering Naruto's personality to make him cooler.

6. Altering the personalities of other characters to make Naruto seem cooler.

7. Bashing.

edited 23rd May '15 2:30:59 PM by Hyp3rB14d3

It's not just scaling up abilities he already has, it's also attributing Naruto things he could not possibly have.

For instance, resistance to magic.

Magic is not a force that exists in the Naruto world. It makes zero sense for Naruto to have any resistance to magic whatsoever, unless it's appropriate to the system of magic being used against him. Like, for instance, in the Nasuverse all humans have some degree of resistance to magic, even if it's laughably weak for normal people. In this instance, Naruto would have a normal human's resistance to magic, because he has no reason to be more resistant to it than that, but it wouldn't make sense for him not to have it in the Nasuverse.

However, in a setting that does not afford everyone such defenses, he should be defenseless.

This is, again, common in Negima crossovers, in which Naruto is supposedly able to take Evangeline on a fight and win while being able to No-Sell her spells. Of course, this is flat out wrong because of how her spells work. Ensis Exsequense magically sublimates whatever it hits. Without a barrier or magical resistance, it's no different from a lightsaber cutting through steel. Most of the spells Evangeline uses to create prisons for her enemies don't 'magically create ice', what they do is 'magically remove heat', which means that without Asuna's Magic Cancel protecting you, you will freeze.

edited 23rd May '15 3:31:54 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

I agree its stupid to give Naruto resistance to magic. Now resistance to attacks if he were in his Super Mode, now that's a different story.

He was able to survive having a natural disaster thrown in his face while in normal Nine tails chakra mode and focusing on protection the rest of the alliance, so him being able to get up from something like Thousand Thunderbolts provided he were in his Super Mode is plausible, as well as supposedly blocking and destroying an attack strong enough to destroy the moon in the Last, in his second strongest form (though I haven't watched the film yet)

Although I concede that you may be correct on some points regarding Eva's ice spells, this one I have to disagree.

Mostly seeing as Fate has been able to block it with a stone sword and break it with his bare hand. Now I concede this may be due to 'magical resistance' or Fate having strong enough barriers to block it, so I don't see the problem with Naruto's chakra made, especially his Sage enhanced mode could do the same seeing as it looks more like a basic power vs power thing there.

His 'Super Mode' still means shit, because the Kyuubi also has never had to deal with magic. It makes no sense for a creature in a world thoroughly and completely void of magic to have resistance to magic, unless it's in some way justified by the magic system (like in FFT, where magic deals less damage to Flat Earth Atheists).

You're doing the exact same thing all those writers do. When you start making exceptions and justifying things and making up reasons, you've lost the point.

Naruto has no resistance against magic, there is no reason for him to have any resistance to magic, and when you give him resistance to magic, you're wanking him.

Also, guess how Fate made his swords?

Magic. Guess what they were meant to combat? Magic users.

Of course something designed to combat someone who is capable of using Ensis Exsequense would be designed with resisting Ensis Exsequense in mind.

Blocking Ensis Exsequense is not a matter of strength. Ensis Exsequense would cut right through goddamn Superman like a hot knife through butter. Naruto could absorb the Juubi and gain all of Kaguya, Madara and the Sage of Six Paths' combined power, and Ensis Exsequense would still cut him with no trouble whatsoever. Because all of that power?

That doesn't do shit to give him magical resistance, because in a world without magic, magical resistance would be nonsensical as a property.

edited 23rd May '15 8:37:54 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Question: Isn't chakra magic? You know different words for what is basically the same thing. Even if you don't consider them the same they're still both fantastical energy sources used by the characters to throw around elemental attacks, create illusions, heal, etc.

That said outside of his healing ability Naruto has never been showed resistant to chakra attacks and the such. You can injure him, the hard part is keeping him down for good.

edited 23rd May '15 8:43:27 PM by WorldTurtle2

No, chakra is closer to Ki than it is to any form of magic.

The closest form of magic I can think of off the top of my head is the magic in MSLN, and even then, it's only because they're both internally produced.

No, Chakra is very definitely not magic. In a crossover with the Negima universe, Chakra is almost certainly the Narutoverse's equivalent to Ki, not Magic, and what they call 'Nature Chakra', the Negima universe calls Mana.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

I'd probably have Naruto having absolute no resistance to something like expelliarmus or stupefy or a fuego (that doesn't mean he can't dodge). But he'd probably be able to use Chakra to directly counteract it, if magic were used more like a beam of energy. say a Divine Buster.

edited 23rd May '15 9:23:20 PM by 32ndfreeze

"But if that happened, Melia might actually be happy. We can't have that." - Handsome Rob

Oh, yeah, I'm talking about instantaneous effects that aren't brute force.

What I'm talking about is basically me saying that effects in which his physical body's toughness is meaningless he would be defenseless against.

Saying that he would be able to negate something like that would be like, I dunno... an RPG hero being able to No-Sell status effects just because he's high level.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

High level JRPG hero tend to be able shrug status magic, if only because their constitution or luck is stronger.

What we should keep in mind is that "magic", "chakra", "psionic" or whatever is called is, usually, a mean to direct some nature-changing effect for some purpose. If said character can counter that effect, by using means that those effects cannot be double-countered by their nature, then those effects will be countered.

I hope it's not confusing.

No, high level JRPG heroes tend to shrug off magic because they tend to have high magical resistances.

Most JRPG have separate stats for physical and magical defense and attack.

In most JRPG, you can boost your constitution to a gazillion, and the first time an enemy hits you with a spell you will be destroyed, because even they realize that physical toughness means shit in the face of magic.

And you completely ignored what I said.

As to what you said... no, there are, in fact, different forces and being able to defend yourself against one doesn't mean you will be able to defend yourself against all of them.

Even within Naruto itself, this point is made. The Juubi Jinchuuriki can No-Sell anything made with human chakra, but Senjutsu will still affect them as normal.

edited 23rd May '15 10:16:57 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari