DEATH BATTLE

I don't remember if I put this one out there before, but if so, here it is again:

Dora vs Kai-Lan.

Well, I'm just take my seat in hell.

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You did. I don't recall there being a consensus, but since Dora's backpack and equipment is sentient would it count as outside help?

OK... I may be of some help.

Post-anime, Guts has six weapons: the Dragonslayer, a prosthetic with an Arm Cannon, a repeating crossbow, throwing knives, miniature bombs (which he gave to Isidro), and the Berserker Armour.

The knives and crossbow are fairly unremarkable, except for the fact he can nail a man in the eyes and jugular at a distance of 15-plus feet with the former and the latter acts like a machine-gun. The cannon has to be reloaded after each use, but is powerful enough to blast an moderately strong Apostle to pieces. Now on to the fun stuff:

Guts' sword, the Dragonslayer, has an approximate blade length of 5'3", a blade width of wide 15", and a hilt length of 13". It was forged with the purpose of being capable of killing dragons with a single swing, and three years of soaking the thing in the blood and guts of Apostles have cursed it, allowing it to cut ghosts and other supernatural beings that exist in the Astral realm. It's not immune to damage, though, since three years of abuse left the blade covered in chips and hairline fractures. It's still durable enough to smash Grunbeld's corundum exoskeleton without taking damage. Guts is app. twenty-two years old and has been training to use two-handed swords since he was six, making him skilled enough to defeat master fencers like Griffith and Serpico, and capable of deflecting and parrying attacks faster than the eye can see.

Guts wears a suit of Berserker Armour forged by dwarves, which amplifies its wearer's physical abilities at the cost of his ability to feel pain, their sanity, and eventually their life. It can fix minor injuries and set broken bones by stabbing spikes into the wearer's body, something that will eventually cause them to bleed out, and prolonged use dulls their senses. The cursed armour is durable and, while it can be pierced by powerful attacks, it is capable of repairing itself. Most notably, it causes its wearer to succumb to a feral rage in combat and channels their inner beast, in Guts' case the Hellhound◊. In this state, Guts' already inhuman strength and endurance are greatly amplified, he attacks without regard for his safety, can use his prosthetic like an actual arm and fire his cannon at will, and his helmet elongates and functions like a mouth, enabling him to bite opponents. His Signature Move in this state is a leaping, somersaulting slash that is capable of slicing an opponent multiple times without significant loss of momentum.

My opinion is that, in a one-on-one duel with Ike without Schierke to keep his sanity intact, it's only a matter of time before Guts succumbs to the Hellhound's influence and goes berserk, and from then on it's a question of whether Guts' armour will kill him before he kills Ike.

edited 25th Nov '14 7:07:08 PM by Arawn999

So I guess it comes down to whether or not Ike can survive Gut's berserker rage. If Aether can offset the incoming damage, then Ike would probably be the winner. However, even at max skill, Ike only has a 20% chance to activate Aether.

Edit: How long would it take for the berserker armor to kill Guts? I'm assuming a couple of minutes.

edited 25th Nov '14 7:05:50 PM by OrionAurora

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Dora needs outside help in order to do anything. Why else would she constantly ask the audience all those questions? I imagine a battle with her would involve her asking the viewers for help, then having no idea what to do when she doesn't get an answer.

Each rampage brings him closer to death, but it's unknown how long it would take for it to kill him. A lot more than a couple of minutes, though. Days, weeks, months, maybe years. It depends on how much damage he takes while wearing the armour, I guess.

edited 25th Nov '14 9:22:29 PM by Arawn999

I see three factors that will determine the outcome of a Gut vs. Ike battle; how long it would take for the berserker armor to kill Guts, how often Ike can activate Aether, and if the health return Aether gives is enough to offset the received damage. The fact that you said the armor would take a while to kill Gut is quite concerning for Ike's survival.

Edit: Oh god, weeks? Well crap. That really hurts Ike's chances.

Here's a question I should have asked earlier; what is the strongest opponent Gut's has faced and won without outside influence?

For Ike, his signature victories were against The Dark Knight, once in both games, and Mad King Ashnard. If you play Path of Radiance on the hardest difficulty, Ike has to kill Ashnard twice. First normally, second time with Ashnard holding the Fire Emblem, which, I would say, is the equivalent of berserker rage. I'm hesitant on counting his kill against Goddess Ashera in Radiant Dawn. On one hand, Ike was capable of damaging her. However, Ike needed Micaiah's power to pull off the actual kill.

edited 25th Nov '14 7:31:59 PM by OrionAurora

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Days, weeks... it depends on how much Guts exerts himself, since the more he injures himself with torn ligaments and broken bones the faster the armour will bleed him dry.

Nosferatu Zodd, Wyald, the Snake Baron, the Count, and Rosine, all of whom are Apostles. Zodd is the strongest of the above, however, and Guts hasn't won him so much as their duels have been postponed due to outside interference.

The strongest opponent he fought and injured was Slan of the God Hand, who was trying to torture him into using the Behelit he obtained from the Count. He dealt her a blow that should have been fatal and severely injured her, and in return, she dealt him a spiritual wound that forces him to wear the Berserker armour at almost all times.

edited 25th Nov '14 9:49:07 PM by Arawn999

Just because I don't have a better thread to put this in:

I was rewatching a certain scene from Death Note. Matsuda's actually a really good shot with his revolver. He was able to shoot a target in the wrist to incapacitate handwriting, then four times in the chest (possibly to cause pain and not kill), and had the last bullet saved for a headshot. All of this while under significant emotional distress.

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Agreed, but Light was stationary and undergoing a psychotic breakdown at the time. Come to think of it, Light would be useless in a Death Battle, wouldn't he? Even with a Death Note, he never got the Shinigami Eyes needed to see a person's true name, and in a one-on-one brawl he'd just be a normal human, albeit a super-intelligent normal human with police training. And it's not like any opponents would give him a chance to write their names down. Well, some probably would...

edited 26th Nov '14 1:28:04 AM by Arawn999

Well, he's in decent athletic shape, considering he was a national tennis champion and kept up at it. Nowhere near the level of Death Battle competitors, though.

One thing that bugs me to this day about that last episode: was it implied that Light made the eye deal? He knew Near's real name to write it down, and the only people who could've shared that with him are Mikami (in custody) or Near himself.

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Kira never made the eye deal. That was one of the things he was adamant about never doing, since it would cost him half his reign. If I remember the finale correctly, Mikami wasn't in custody, he was in another room with the (fake) Death Note, and he had made the eye deal, so he could see their true names. Near just out-gambited everyone by having Mikami's notebook switched with a fake.

edited 26th Nov '14 5:26:04 AM by Arawn999

But it was heavily implied in the very last Death Note story released (I don't know if it was an extra chapter or an OVA) that Light eventually becomes a Shinigami.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

I remember there being a chapter released where Light wakes up in the world of the Shinigami, and Ryuk informs him that he'll suffer all the deaths he inflicted before his soul vanishes forever, and Light decides to bargain with the Shinigami King to become a Shinigami himself... but I think that's an alternate ending, since in the finale Ryuk tells Kira that what awaits him after death is the same thing that awaits everyone else: nothing. The going theory is that it's dōjinshi, since there's no proof the author created it. There was also a scene in the Death Note Relight 1: Visions of a God OVA where Ryuk tells an unnamed Shinigami to go to the human world and meet someone interesting, but it's only fan speculation that the Shingami is Light reincarnated.

edited 26th Nov '14 5:39:57 AM by Arawn999

Thanks Arawn for the information. While I knew bits of the berserker armor beforehand, I didn't know about the enhanced (demonic) rage, being self repairing, amplifying the wearer's physical traits, cutting the wearer's body to settle broken bones, or the helmet shifting into a mouth.

I'm having a hard time deciding on who would win now that I know the full extent of Guts's arsenal. This is really tough to figure out. I have to think on this for a while.

...To play the strawman's advocate, one could say that Ike's second ability, Nihil, could negate Guts's berserker rage.

Edit: @Death Note Death Battle: If we ever see a death battle involving Light, the guys making the death battle would probably need to disregard their "no outside help" rule. Part of what made Light good at what he did was his ability to utilize and manipulate other people's actions.

edited 26th Nov '14 7:20:51 AM by OrionAurora

We are all made of star stuff. Very, very weird star stuff.

I really don't see how Light fits Death Battle at all. I mean, real quick, remove the Death Note & what does he have combat wise? Nothing. He's not a combat oriented character.

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Yeah, Light is primarily an intellectual threat who relies solely on using his intelligence and manipulative prowess to outmaneuver his enemies. The Death Note is essentially just a supernatural gimmick for effortlessly and speedily killing people (though he can just as well use it to control their every action, provided that it's just a prelude to their own deaths).

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

It occurs that, for whoever brought up the Black Sword in The Avatar of Virtues vs The Dovahkiin... it could be countered by Wabbajack, who while doesn't have a 100% kill chance, can be spammed very rapidly and from a distance to turn a foe into money, a pile of cheese or a muffin. And a Dovahkiin with maxed out stealth and pickpocketing can steal the black sword from the Avatar's own hands mid-swing while hiding in plain sight.

In regards to Light, I sort of had ideas for Death Battles that aren't exactly battles (which beats half the point of the series, yeah) but still pits two similar characters against each other.

Like if Light and Yoshikage Kira had to discover and kill who the other person is without giving themselves away, or seeing if The Doctor could foil a plot by Doctor Doom.

I highly doubt they could work with Death Battle, but I still like to think about it.

edited 26th Nov '14 10:10:16 AM by Vespa

Hey, I got an idea. Remember the comedic Death Battle between Justin Bieber and what's-her-face? That one where the "fighters" were picked because "everybody wants to see [them] fight to the death... 'cause [they] hate them"? Well, what about an over-the-top Death Battle between two people who aren't really combatants but nevertheless "everybody wants to see fight to the death... 'cause [they] love them" for being awesome beyond compare?

My proposal for the first fighter in said match: Stan Lee of Marvel Comics. Now to figure out who in DC Comics could be said to be Mr. Lee's counterpart.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Even if Ike's Nihil cancelled out the Berserker Armor's powers, he would still have to contend with Guts' inhuman swordsmanship and the fact that the Brand of Sacrifice has shunted him into the interstice between the World of the Living and the Astral Plane, which is implied to have made him (even more) superhumanly strong with the downside of attracting ghosts and demons to him at night. The only things that can negate the Brand are using a Behelit or one of the God Hand. Guts does happen to have a Behelit, but since it requires a sacrifice to activate I don't think he'd be able to use it in a Death Battle.

Stan's 91 years old. Spry as he is for his age, I don't think he'd be cut out for the rigours of combat.

edited 26th Nov '14 10:33:41 AM by Arawn999

No matter what he says, everyone knows Stan Lee is secretly Uatu The Watcher.

Stan Lee vs Grant Morrison vs Alan Moore

edited 26th Nov '14 11:17:43 AM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

There was that time where he was Stan Hulk...

#IceBearForPresident

Stan Lee vs. Kevin Smith. Beat the shit out of him, Stan!

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Right. As if Justin Bieber and his opponent were in any better shape for life-or-death combat. Or that their "battle" was in anyway close to being a proper fight.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

And I can totally see them giving Stan his Lego!Powers.

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