DEATH BATTLE

Teresa would hold her own longer but Dante's arsenal outways the speed. And this isn't going into Quicksilver Style and the pandora box from IV

How fast is Dante when using Quicksilver?

edited 24th Aug '14 6:15:05 PM by Arawn999

Word of God from the days where they made the Marvel Vs DC comics from Hulks own writers (and I am not talking about the results of the comic which were decided by popular vote) is that Supes is Physically stronger than Hulk. Which means that he beats Hilk in his own Area of Expertise. And thats before counting that Superman has all those other powers.

Also see the page image for No-Sell

edited 25th Aug '14 3:04:50 AM by Ghilz

I would be more interested in a Sentry Vs Superman battle. Knockoff vs original.

... Superman can't be stronger than the Hulk absolutely, because the Hulk has no ceiling for how much his physical strength can rise due to Unstoppable Rage, whereas Superman technically does have a "limit" of some sort to how much sunlight his cells can take in before they start destroying themselves due to overcharge, it's just that it's so absurdly high that he only reached about once, and I think that involved extenuating circumstances. It was shown in the part of the Death Battle preview where his skin has white glowing cracks; I think Luthor had something to do with it, because I saw a couple of clips in a later portion from what I gathered was the same movie/special episode, where it's clear that he has been the central villain/antagonist of the whole thing.

edited 25th Aug '14 4:34:41 AM by MarqFJA

What about Thor vs. Superman? Does that one seem a little more fair?

Considering the Sentry can freely resurrect himself, is implied to subconsciously warp reality, and has an Eldritch Abomination powerful enough to destroy galaxies as a Superpowered Evil Side...

That limit is Depending on the Writer, as he spent thousands of years inside the sun in another story and became a god, which they also showed.

edited 25th Aug '14 7:37:39 AM by Arawn999

IIRC, Superman's solar overload in All Star Superman was caused by a device of Luthor's that exploded, causing him to absorb a whole lot of solar radiation at once. And even then, it's implied that he survived by setting up shop in the Sun's core.

As for Thor vs. Superman, I would guess Superman would win, unless they allowed Thor use of the Odin Force.

But yeah, I think Batman will lose again. Batman has the edge with hand-to-hand combat but in every other area (strength, speed, reflexes, endurance) Cap is superior.

edited 25th Aug '14 7:47:19 AM by Lionheart0

Not doubting a Cap victory here, but would Batman's gadgets be nothing special to him?

Using the Spider-Man vs Batman fight as reference, Cap definitely would not want to get hit by the detonators, but I don't think Batman has anything else on hand that Cap's Shield couldn't neutralize.

Cap isn't as invulnerable as Spidey, but he is capable of taking blows from people as powerful as the Hulk, so I can't see this fight going that much different than Batman's last one.

On the other hand, Batman still has his amazing stealth. One of the biggest factors in the Batman/Spiderman fight was the fact that the Spidey Sense negated Batman's element of surprise, and I don't think Captain America has anything comparable to that.

Nothing but the combat experience of decades of punching Nazis right in the cock.

And peak human-level Super-Senses and Super-Reflexes, too.

It's worth pointing out that this was from All Star Superman, which is technically an Elseworld Story. There's plenty of other Elseworld Story that go the other way and Superman can't overdose on sunlight (Kingdom Come comes to mind, where years of exposure to sunlight makes him immune to Kryptonite). And yes, even All-Star Superman ends with the implication he survived and has Ascended into an energy being / god / whatever.

And anyway, it's not me saying it, that was literally from the Hulks' own writers in the comic in question, that as far as they were concerned, yeah, Superman can out-muscle Hulk (In the comic proper, Superman uses all his strength to No Sell the Hulk until his rage subsides and he can be easily overpowered). Yes, Hulk's strength might be infinite, but triggering his rage to its highest level takes outside interference (A dead / endangered loved one, for example, or repeated mockery) and the former can't happen because of the outside interference rules in a Deathbattle, and the later is unlikely because Superman doesn't taunt his foes generally speaking. So even that argument is sort of moot.

Enough anaesthetic gas to knock out Evil Superwoman / Mary Marvel?

Also last I checked, the shield still conducts electricity, and Batman does carry electrodes powerful enough to hurt superhumans.

edited 25th Aug '14 6:26:39 PM by Ghilz

Does he carry them in his usual arsenal?

See, Cap's at something of a loadout advantage. Bats's arsenal is very wide, but he never carries it all at once, meaning that stuff that could be a counter to someone may not be in his usual arsenal. Whereas Cap's best weapon is also the one he always has.

...wait. Come to think of it... The rules state the combatants can't know each other unless they actually do. Hasn't Batman encountered Cap at least once, via some screwy crossover storyline or other?

Yes, technically they both have met if one accepts the crossover as canons.

And the sleep gas is pretty standard. In the above example, Bats was around the Watchtower, not expecting to follow Superwoman in her dimension, so those were part of his standard loadout. He's also been shown to use sleep gas before without preparations. Ditto for the shock pads (Often in the form of special batarangs or electric knuckle dusters) though in that case the form they take varies.

Of course, I'd point out that the flaw of Cap's shield as his best weapon is that it can be caught, and I am certain Batman can do it, and I'd be surprised if this doesn't happen during the Deathbattle.

edited 25th Aug '14 6:33:49 PM by Ghilz

But Cap knows the shield better than anyone, so the times someone does try to throw it back, he always manages to dodge or minimize the threat it poses.

And if Cap threw the shield at Batman, the momentum and weight of the shield would slice it right through Batman's fingers.

The shield is almost never depicted as capable of slicing people. Otherwise fight scenes against Hydra mooks would be WAY bloodier/ And I'd point out some non-superhumans have caught the shield in flight with no such injury. I mean, if we're gonna make shit up, might as well say Batman will be struct by lighting for catching the shield.

Batman doesn't need to throw the shield at Cap though. He just needs to deny it to him. Throw it far or out of range. And Batman's smart enough to know if HE could catch Cap's shield, Cap can catch his own shield so throwing it to him is stupid. Throw it in water for example since it sinks.

'Course, Cap doesn't need the shield, as he's demonstrated to countless one-shot villains who thought that stealing the shield would be the key to victory. And that's not taking into account whether or not he's put the magnet/transistor gizmos in his gloves and shield that let him more directly control it. Even if we don't take it into account, Wiz and Boomstick will.

He's also since removed the control gizmos in the shield, as in his own words he didn't like them because their interfered with the shield's balance.

edited 25th Aug '14 7:08:39 PM by Ghilz

I thought the shield was obscenely heavy due to the weird metal it's made of. I wasn't making stuff up, I was just misinformed...

Fair enough. It weights 12 lbs canonically.

Anyway, I am not saying Batman's got this, but I do think people are too quick to give it to Captain America. While I give him the edge in physical attributes, and most likely combat skill also, Batman's a clever opponent. I don't think the shield will amount to much, because as I said, Batman is smart enough to deny it to Steve and not fall in the stupid pitfall of "i'll throw it at him". No I don't think they'll give Steve his shield remote control gear, because canonically he doesn't like it and had it removed. And while Steve's a tough opponent who can take a few hits, he's not Spider-Man level tough (Who can tank a grenade to the face). Batman's explosives ARE a real threat to the Captain. As are some of Batman's gadgets, who can severely impede Steve. Both are strategic mastermind, but Bruce is a far more strategic fighter IMHO. So I think it'll be very close, either Captain America wins because his experience, skill and physical prowess carries him through, or he falls because Batman's gadget and strategic acumen allows him to close the (IMHO, narrow) gap.

edited 25th Aug '14 7:37:50 PM by Ghilz

According to The Other Wiki, Captain America is resistant to gasses and toxins, so that won't exactly cut it. And no, I don't think Batman could catch the shield thrown at full force at him. He could probably use his stealth to steal it though.