DEATH BATTLE

As I just finished Kill la Kill and was wondering who'd be a good opponent for Ryuko, I'd be cool with that.

Speaking of that series, What about a Team Battle with the Honnonji Academy Elite Four against another group of four? I'd love to see those guys take someone on, but after their two group hen shin scenes, I feel like they should be a package deal.

edited 1st Mar '17 10:02:26 AM by HandsomeRob

Ryuko is way too fast for Venom.

As for a potential opponent for her, I suggested Black★Rock Shooter

Ryuko is far faster and stronger than Venom, and can use Ki Attacks, so that would be a poor choice. Venom VS Xenomorph would be promotionally interesting since Eddie Brock is returning as Venom in a couple of months and a new Alien movie is right around the corner.

Just watched it. As a duck comics fan, I mostly agree with Dr Dougsh. Using Scrooge's cartoony feats is all fine and dandy (I grew up with the European and Brazillian stories, and those follow similar logic), but to attribute the victory to Gyro's guns is pretty iffy. Those are plot devices of the week, even if they were written by one of Scrooge's distinguished, "canon" authors. Furthermore, they spent a lot of time in the DB cast discussing Shovel Knight's alchemy coin, so it was weird not seeing it here. That one ought to have been a game changer

Considering they clearly did good research on Scrooge Mc Duck (one of my favourite characters ever), it's a shame for the match's result to leave me so sceptical.

Next Time: I have no idea who is it that they found for Venom. I'm of the opinion that Pride from Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood would make a pretty good opponent for Carnage, but Venom works, too

Spidey has fought Speedsters like Speed Demon (and he's probably fought QuickSilver at least once), and Venom should be just as fast, stronger, and I think he should have a Spider-Sense as well shouldn't he?

Come to think of it, I don't actually know if Venom has a Spider-Sense, but if he does, it should let him anticipate Ryuko's moves even if she is faster, and combined with his own speed and reflexes, gives him a better shot then you think, but if I'm wrong, I'll accept that.

I am pretty sure that Venom doesn't have Spider Senses. In fact, Spider-Man can't detect Venom with his Spider Senses.

Yeah. I know about that. Because the Symbiote was able to attach itself to Peter without triggering the Spider-Sense (probably because back then, it wasn't actually trying to harm him), so Venom doesn't set it off...or at least, that's how it applied to Brock. I'm assuming both Mac Gargan and Flash were the same, but I'm not really sure..

I honestly never knew Venom didn't have it though. Thats interesting...then again, I actually never thought about if he had it all this time either.

Venom does possess Spider Sense.(And in fact only specifically Blocks Peter's Spider Sense, he still is detected by Ben Reilly's). In fact, Venom's Spider-Sense is said to be faster and more efficient than Spidey's.

edited 1st Mar '17 10:55:41 AM by Ghilz

See, I thought as much. Again, I always kinda took it for granted that he did, since the whole thing with the Symbiote was Spider Man but better, giving whoever wielded it more strength, speed, durability, etc than Peter. Add to that a better Spider-Sense, and when you think about it, it's a miracle that Peter has ever beaten Brock at all.

If he has better Super-Reflexes than Spidey, and an even better Spider-Sense, than I figure Ryuko's speed, as incredible as it is, won't completely beat him. Spidey has fought some fast guys, and Venom is even better.

No, Venom does not have spider sense, he never has.

"Venom has his own version of the ability, and it’s not due to the symbiote’s previous contact with Spidey. It’s just another benefit of having a suit that’s aware of its surroundings covering one’s entire body. The creature has full knowledge of its surroundings, and its connection to Brock lets it communicate threats and courses of action to its host almost instantaneously."

"ESP (Spider-Sense): Venom also possesses an extrasensory ability similar to Spider-Man’s spider-sense. This response is not as complicated as Spider-Man’s inherent sense since the alien costume can detect danger from every direction and conduct Brock in plenty of time. It's a lot more efficient than Spider-Man’s spider-sense because it takes less time to sense the danger, and Brock’s reflexes are faster than Spider-Man’s, because they are enhanced by the alien costume for instance Venom can dodge a gunshot or a barrage of bullets. It should be noted that as Ben Reilly was cloned from Peter before he bonded with Venom, Eddie was not immune to his spider sense."

... not that Venom even needs to dodge bullets.

X9 It's odd that you would consider yourself a duck comic fan and miss the fact that Gyro didn't invent those rays. The unnamed scientist who invented the stone ray on a deserted island did, after he returned to the mainland and traded the rays to the beagle boys for cabbage.

You could put any number of inventions and devices Scrooge has had in the exact same place and he'd still win. The universal solvent umbrella, the shrink ray, the gravity reverser he fished out of that comet, heck, even just give him a pistol and he could drill shovel knight between the eyes. He was one of the most renowned sharpshooters in history in his youth, and later stories have shown he lost none of his reflexes or accuracy .

Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way. If Venom is Spider-Man but better, maybe it's a Batman Vs Spider-Man rematch, and it's Venom vs. Deathstroke?

Use the pencil button to edit ypur posts. No need to double post.

I figure I should clarify why Blue Beetle versus Venom is a poor matchup; Blue Beetle massively outclasses Venom at just about everything, and the scarab is good at both knowing weaknesses and providing access to an appropriate choice of weapon. A Venom-Blue Beetle fight ends after maybe a minute with a massive blast of sonics to the symbiote.

Not counting that sonic weapons are some of the Scarab's default weapons, so even if it didn't immediately guess Venom's weakness, it'd end poorly for Venom.

Blue Scarab seems to be a better match up against Ryuko, in terms of power at least.

Of course the main issue is we don't really know the Scarab's full power other than it has, in its own words potential theological implications. It's powerful enough that the Guardians of the Universe hardcoded a reaction (Some ascribe to fear) in the Green Lantern rings (John Stewart's sparks, while Guy Gardner got a migraine) to being near a Scarab (This hatred is mutual). Just consider all the shit the Green Lanterns face and realize that the Scarabs were worth an "Oh shit" mode.

The Scarab figures that given enough time to study and adapt, it can take on The Spectre itself. Though it's arguable if the Scarab knew just what it was saying.

edited 1st Mar '17 5:07:53 PM by Ghilz

How would Venom VS Xenomorph work?

Venom kills the Xenomorphs without effort?

Some of Venom's offspring via the Life Foundation could make acid, so while not strictly acid resistant, symbiotes do have an affinity for it. Even if Venom was going to be burned by acid, he'd recover. He far eclipses a Xenomorph in strength, speed and agility.

Also durability. You can wail on the symbiote all you want but unless you can get damage through to the host, you might as well be punching the ocean. There is nothing in a Xenomorph's repertoire that actually seems capable of getting past the impenetrable wall that is the Venom symbiote to actually inflict harm on Eddie/Flash/Gargan/whoever underneath.

edited 1st Mar '17 7:49:46 PM by TobiasDrake

So they missed one major feat for Shovel Knight

In Venom Vol. 1, it's stated that the symbiotes are immune to acid. Plus, Venom 2099 had corrosive blood and saliva.

Plus even if the host is injured, the symbiote can heal them. How fast it heals them seems to vary, but Mac Gargan recovered from having his midriff vaporized, Flash recovered from being impaled by Toxin's arm-blade after a day's R&R, and Carnage regrew his head in seconds after it was blown off by a shotgun and regrew his entire body after being decapitated.

edited 2nd Mar '17 1:12:33 AM by Arawn999

Could a facehugger and chestburster do it, since that's internal damage and not external, and thus would bypass all of the symbiote defences?