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exclusive the western superhero genre and should be taken in aggregate: Most Common Superpower get usage counts

Man, I hope this goes better than last time.

There's two main issues with this trope.

1) This trope should only apply to the western superhero genre. I can understand why people would apply this trope to any super powered female character with big breasts but this trope is really only applicable to the western superhero genre mainly because it's the only genre where the vast majority of superpowered female characters do have big breasts, hence the most common part in the trope name.

2) It Needs to be taken in aggregate. It seems to me, least by the description and the page picture, that this trope is about about the fact that superheroines in general, regardless of works, universe, or medium are always depicted with large breasts. Much like Heroes Prefer Swords, and Heroic Build, this is a case where a trope has to be taken as a whole and not just a selected few works. So the example composition in this page needs to be limited to Justification, exaggeration, exceptions, and/or really anything that's not "This superheroine has big breasts"

Thoughts?

Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
I totally agree with both points.
Cure Candy
The old thread on this subject "there's no consensus to take action, or no consensus about which action to take"

Anyways still taking my position against that its clearly a trope in other non-comic works as well as a decent amount of actual comic characters do not follow it. (Personally I think it should be character specific.)

As well as a few of issues were suppose to be fixed in the Buxom Babe repair shop which died as well [1].

edited 30th Jun '11 6:00:56 PM by Raso

Would a hard split solve said issues?

edited 30th Jun '11 6:02:19 PM by GiantSpaceChinchilla

Cure Candy
That would work IMO. *

edited 30th Jun '11 6:06:17 PM by Raso

[up] ugh.. Sorry man, but these kind of proposals come up a lot we have trs disccussion about big breasts tropes and most of the time, least IMO, it just feels like an excuse to make list and point out a bunch of character's with big breasts

Oh, also I'm taking about limiting this trope to "western superhero genre" not comics, that would, I think anyway, include works like the Witchblade anime and Tiger & Bunny.

edited 30th Jun '11 6:47:15 PM by captainpat

Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
I think Part 2 is the most crucial thing that needs changing - make the trope only for lampshading, aversion, subversion, etc. No examples of just "So-and-so has big breasts."
 8 Deboss, Fri, 1st Jul '11 2:14:04 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I thought it was already a lampshades, aversions, subversions?
 9 pokedude 10, Fri, 1st Jul '11 9:03:55 AM from Mount Silver
Man on the Mountain
[up]Apparently not. Although I would limit it to lampshades only. Subversions and Aversions would be asking for misuse.

The lumper side of me wants to merge this with Heroic Build. It seems strange to have gender variants of basically the same thing.

edited 1st Jul '11 9:05:48 AM by pokedude10

Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.

—Mark Twain
 10 shimaspawn, Fri, 1st Jul '11 9:11:51 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] But it's not a full build. It's only one body part. Women's bodies in comics otherwise tend to fall into a wider range. Tall and slim with huge breasts, tall and muscular with huge breasts, small and curvy with huge breasts... It's not a full build.

You be merging something about an over all look, head to toe, with something that's just one part of a character's anatomy. It's apples and oranges.

edited 1st Jul '11 9:14:26 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 11 Deboss, Fri, 1st Jul '11 9:18:04 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Pokedude makes a point. I don't think aversions count since it's just "women without large boobs" then, which will have problems when someone uses an art style that doesn't give women huge boobs period. Subversions might count, but I want to hear how they would be set up.
[up][up][up] Compare She-hulk to say Zatanna. They both have Most Common Superpower but their builds couldn't be anymore different.

 13 shimaspawn, Fri, 1st Jul '11 9:23:08 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] Yep, as he shows, the builds of female superheroes tend to have very little in common. It's just the breasts.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 14 Deboss, Fri, 1st Jul '11 9:26:30 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
And the nineties hair.
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
I sometimes get confused about the difference between aversion and subversion with tropes of this sort.

Which would the Huntress example on the page be? I think that should definitely be included, because the Helena Bertinelli character, as originally designed, was purposefully drawn to be rather plain and flat-chested, and contrary to the prevailing trope.
 16 shimaspawn, Fri, 1st Jul '11 10:01:02 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I think aversions and subversions with Word of God to back them up would work.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
How about just lamsphading, justification, and parody?

 18 shimaspawn, Fri, 1st Jul '11 10:28:14 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] I'd be all right with that.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 19 pokedude 10, Fri, 1st Jul '11 12:19:15 PM from Mount Silver
Man on the Mountain
[up][up]The problem with parody is it needs to be either Lampshaded or confirmed by Word of God. Otherwise we get people saying x is this to the point of parody.

edited 1st Jul '11 12:19:52 PM by pokedude10

Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.

—Mark Twain
 20 Grobi, Fri, 1st Jul '11 12:45:52 PM Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
[up] We'll also get "possibly justified", "maybe lampshaded" etc.; that's practically a Foregone Conclusion. Still, it would be a major improvement.

 21 Madrugada, Fri, 1st Jul '11 1:01:04 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Those are easy enough to spot and cut.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
[up][up][up] That seems more indicative of a lack of understanding about what a parody is but perhaps maybe rephrasing it to justification, lampshade, and played for laughs would be more intutive?

edited 1st Jul '11 1:29:57 PM by captainpat

 23 Deboss, Fri, 1st Jul '11 6:12:33 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I think a subversion might be that all the female characters except the super heroines have huge boobs. Just one would be A-Cup Angst I believe.
[up] I think that's an exception. A subversion would be like knockout from Invincible. She flat chested but uses prosthetic breasts.

 25 shimaspawn, Fri, 1st Jul '11 6:33:06 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I do think we have a good idea of what we want on the page. That is examples that draw attention to the core trope. It's just that we need a way of phrasing it to get the good examples on the page.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick

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