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Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#35926: Sep 16th 2014 at 11:10:09 AM

The Great Gatsby felt like it had a point, though. And it had gorgeous prose.

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MetaFour AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN from a place (Old Master) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#35927: Sep 16th 2014 at 11:13:15 AM

Pannic, you just inspired me. There was a point in the final chapter ofAlarm Clock where I had a nagging feeling that I was going too easy on Ditzy by making a particular problem solve itself. I wasn't trying to make things easier—if it had fallen to Ditzy to solve this problem herself, it would have been ripped apart by Fridge Logic, I think.

Anyway, you got me thinking about that scene again, and now I've figured out how to resolve both angles.

I didn't write any of that.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#35928: Sep 16th 2014 at 11:16:22 AM

I dunno, sometimes it's interesting to have a problem solve itself on its own, and or to have a problem come up that no-one could have possibly predicted, or that are completely outside of the characters' control.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#35929: Sep 16th 2014 at 11:20:17 AM

Perhaps. It's not like I'm not guilty of that, myself. For example, I wonder if Scroll never got taken to task enough for lying to Clip in The Book of Friendship.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#35930: Sep 16th 2014 at 11:30:13 AM

Easily Forgiven is sometimes a practical necessity.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#35931: Sep 16th 2014 at 11:46:09 AM

And pretty much the default attitude for the setting.

kegisak Element of Class Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Element of Class
#35932: Sep 16th 2014 at 1:06:21 PM

I think given the amount of things that Scroll has done for Clip, what amounts to a White Lie is kind of easy to move past.

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#35933: Sep 16th 2014 at 1:08:29 PM

@Meta: Which scene are you talking about?

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#35934: Sep 16th 2014 at 1:32:00 PM

So, as I said, I've made 8.5 a flashback chapter. I will be doing similar things later in the story. The next will probably be 10.5. However, while writing chapter 10, I came across a small problem. I have to have the CMC do something funny (as in, almost all that matters is that it's something funny). Now, adding humour is not something I have a problem with, but I normally just add it as it comes to me. I don't think, "I now need to add something funny here". It's a bit unnatural for me. It doesn't help that CMC brand humour is not one of the types I'm best at (I think?). So, what do I have the CMC doing that would be considered very funny to a group of characters who a re normally fairly serious? Should I try and pull a Take Our Word for It Noodle Incident type of thing? I mean, it doesn't help that practically this exact situation was already done in the show and I don't think I can top that. At least, not in the same ''way'.

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#35935: Sep 16th 2014 at 1:33:43 PM

Hmm, would need more detail. But, it's the CMC. They can get away with almost anything.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#35936: Sep 16th 2014 at 1:37:47 PM

And that's why I can barely stand them. Their Hilarity Ensues should land them in Juvie.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#35937: Sep 16th 2014 at 1:41:54 PM

Why? Again, think of the setting. THAT is what matters, not, how it would work in the 'real' world, but ONLY how it fits into the setting itself.

edited 16th Sep '14 1:42:52 PM by Seraphem

kegisak Element of Class Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Element of Class
#35938: Sep 16th 2014 at 1:57:57 PM

Also, with the exception of Gabby Gums(Which is only rude, not really illegal), nothing they've ever done has been that wrong.

Like, not more wrong than the kind of stuff kids do all the time, at least. That's kind of part of learning to be a good person, is messing up. Not saying they haven't done bad things, but nothing Juvvie bad. Nor do they really 'get away with anything'. We do see them face the consequences of their actions pretty much every time they do something wrong.

edited 16th Sep '14 1:58:36 PM by kegisak

Birthright: an original web novel about Dragons, the Burdens of Leadership, and Mangoes.
Jinxmenow Ghosts N' Stuff Remix from everywhere you look, everywhere you look Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
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#35939: Sep 16th 2014 at 1:58:56 PM

[up] Well, they were blackmailed into that, so it's mostly not their fault.

"Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy."
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#35940: Sep 16th 2014 at 2:01:00 PM

They used a Rape Potion Mickey, on their teacher and big brother, And That's Terrible.

They published Malicious Libel for the fun and profit of their editor.

They sabotaged a giant cart, and the consequences could have been disastrous.

They endangered a theatre audience with badly-done carpentry.

They stowed away on a train without paying a ticket.

edited 16th Sep '14 2:04:07 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#35941: Sep 16th 2014 at 2:04:26 PM

They sabotaged a giant cart, and the consequences could have been disastrous.
Ah. I remember there were a lot of people who complained about how that episode decided to do moral about empathy and understanding, rather than a revenge fantasy.

Anyway, with the situation between Scroll and Clip, the deal there is it's mainly about Clip learning a lesson about forgiveness, which then then proceeds to apply to more... serious issues.

edited 16th Sep '14 2:05:17 PM by Pannic

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Jinxmenow Ghosts N' Stuff Remix from everywhere you look, everywhere you look Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
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#35942: Sep 16th 2014 at 2:10:38 PM

[up][up] I will not negotiate all the other points, but about the Gabby Gums thing I just said that they were being blackmailed. They were part of a situation in which they simply could not get out unscathed. I didn't really like the episode in the first place, considering it implied that the whole Ponyville school system is a wash, but I didn't see how the CMC were deliberately malicious.

"Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy."
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#35943: Sep 16th 2014 at 2:11:01 PM

[up][up]To be fair, DT and SS pose a rather huge moral problem. They're characterized as inexhaustible hate machines, which is great for farting plots but is poor and cheap characterization. The solution to deal with them that the show proposes appears to be "keep doing the right thing, and Karma will take care of them eventually; you will have the last laugh". Something tells me that's mediocre advice for dealing with Real Life bullies. Not as bad as it usually is in this kind of show, but pretty mediocre.

[up]Did they try and talk to their teacher about DT's demands? I don't remember.

edited 16th Sep '14 2:11:51 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#35944: Sep 16th 2014 at 2:12:33 PM

Given my personal experience and the childhood school scenario that the CMC are in? I don't think it's that bad as advice.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#35945: Sep 16th 2014 at 2:14:08 PM

People don't normally go to juvie for those things.

Anyway, the situation is that they're in their clubhouse, failing to get their cutie marks and The Four peek in and mistake them for jesters practicing their routine. Extremely good jesters. One's worthy of replacing Celestia as Bearer of Laughter (technically Pinkie too, but they don't know Pinkie, so the comparison would be irrelevant).

EDIT: Also, people always misunderstand the moral. It's saying that bullying, no matter what the excuse, even if you were bullied yourself, even if it is too another bully is still bullying and therefore still wrong. It's an acknowledgement of the cycle of abuse and revenge and how both are problems.

edited 16th Sep '14 2:18:36 PM by Sereg

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#35946: Sep 16th 2014 at 2:17:42 PM

And Twilight brain washed an entire town because she was going to be late handling in a homework assignment, and got nothing more then a stern talking to.

They WERE called out on the Gabby Gums thing and punished until they had realized their error and apologized.

After days of being physical and verbally abused. And to get back at the one doing it to them. Also something they regretted and learned a lesson from.

Who hoo.

So yeah still nothing at all that bad, or bad at all within the context of the setting.

[up]Hmmm, might want to go with not being specific, just, focus on the Four and their reaction as they look in, without actually describing what hey are doing, maybe with a few lines they overhear from the CMC.

Also the edit. It wasn't about Bullying as a whole no some large statement about the whole ordeal but rather focusing JUST on one aspect, the cycle of it. A kid who is bullied, goes on to bully others to try and escape from the pain, and that kid goes on.. etc... and that at some point ou need to break the cycle.

edited 16th Sep '14 2:21:13 PM by Seraphem

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#35947: Sep 16th 2014 at 2:19:55 PM

[up][up]The Four?

What am I not caught up on?

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#35948: Sep 16th 2014 at 2:20:30 PM

I made a large edit. Also, as Seraphem says, that stuff is small time compared to everything else that happens in the setting. It's small time for our world, for goodness sake. Juvies have far better things to do with their time.

EDIT: @Seraphem: Thanks. Okay.

[up]They are a group of characters from A Debt to the Stars.

ANOTHER EDIT: @Seraphem: Well, yeah. Agreed.

edited 16th Sep '14 2:23:33 PM by Sereg

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#35949: Sep 16th 2014 at 2:22:57 PM

[up][up] The.... antagonists? Yeah.. but still main characters.. and not really villains just.. misguided.. hard to describe just what role they play.. of Debt to the Stars.

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#35950: Sep 16th 2014 at 2:24:47 PM

I love the fact that it can be so difficult to describe the roles played by some of my characters. I also struggle.


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