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Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#35901: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:45:22 PM

Oh, I'm gonna do it on my blog. Along with the next PH chapter.

Man, I'm so behind.

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Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
#35902: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:50:40 PM

Also, maaaaaan is the Fall of Equestria series stupid. It's like "man, what."

I checked out the series' Fimfic group...

Canon stories for the FoE setting.

That acronym depresses me.

edited 15th Sep '14 9:51:17 PM by Unknownlight

SantosLHalper The filidh that cam frae Skye from The Canterlot of the North Since: Aug, 2009
The filidh that cam frae Skye
#35903: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:52:42 PM

Hence, "The Burned Fic".

edited 15th Sep '14 9:52:56 PM by SantosLHalper

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YamiVizzini Since: Jan, 2001
#35904: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:59:53 PM

@Pannic: I keep hoping you'll go back to Romance Reports at some point.tongue IIRC you left off just before chapter 10 when they start to deconstruct what you felt were some of the more distasteful parts. (Nothing to be done about pacing/prose, though.)

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#35905: Sep 15th 2014 at 10:01:25 PM

For those who are sane and didn't click the link, there are five "canon" stories, none of them finished.

1. Twilight Sparkle's POV as invasion happens.
2. Princess Cadance's POV before invasion stuffs.
3. Twilight's mom is knocked up by Diamond Dogs or something I dunno fuck you I didn't actually read it I have limits.
4. Big Macintosh is the one stallion in Equestria who isn't magically turned into a rapist and it's about him running the farm with Applejack.
5. Something with OCs.

Oh... Romance Reports. Never did finish that. My understanding of what does transpire is that while it may go "Twilight going on a series of one-night stands isn't actually a good thing," it also makes it so that what she does to Braeburn doesn't have actual consequences, and it doesn't look like its groan-inducing handling of the characters gets better, either.

edited 15th Sep '14 10:08:24 PM by Pannic

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CleverPun Bully in the Alley from California Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Bully in the Alley
#35906: Sep 15th 2014 at 10:27:05 PM

I stand by my previous assessment of Fall of Equestria; plot holes, bland prose, and OOC behavior wrapped in a thick layer of Author Appeal. In other words, the same thing as most other porn, just with a bunch of fanart to trick people into thinking its better than it is.

"The only way to truly waste an idea is to shove it where it doesn't belong."
Blissey1 insert title here from a random Pokècenter Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
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#35907: Sep 15th 2014 at 10:29:44 PM

Also, maaaaaan is the Fall of Equestria series stupid. It's like "man, what."

oh god damnit that fracking series.

If there was one verse and all associated material I could have deleted from the fandom, that would be it. It's worse than Your Human and You, The Conversion Bureau, and all of those "cosplayer in equestria" fics combined.

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Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#35908: Sep 15th 2014 at 10:31:42 PM

I disagree with the "plot holes" point. A plot hole is when the story has a fundamental contradiction in its internal logic.

There isn't enough internal logic in these things for there to be a contradiction. It's like plot-almost-made-a-sweater-but-gave-up.

Wow, that simile was terrible.

edited 15th Sep '14 10:32:58 PM by Pannic

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CleverPun Bully in the Alley from California Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Bully in the Alley
#35909: Sep 15th 2014 at 10:34:02 PM

Well "OOC Behavior" implies that there was an attempt at characterization for them to be out of, but it doesn't have that either. I elected to use prepackaged terms instead of spending more mental effort on that garbage tongue

edited 15th Sep '14 10:34:20 PM by CleverPun

"The only way to truly waste an idea is to shove it where it doesn't belong."
God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#35910: Sep 15th 2014 at 10:41:33 PM

F-o-E is something that actually makes me sad by its existence.

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#35911: Sep 15th 2014 at 10:45:23 PM

So, anyway. Chapter 33 of Book of Friendship. It's a little shorter, under 7k words, might expand in certain places. I'm a bit concern that the emphasis on Princess's POV kinda drops off near the end 'cause it becomes more about White and Aq. That's kind of understandable. I just want to make sure I give a good picture of Princess beyond "Well, that's certainly vapid."

Kegisak pitched me a line idea, which I stole ("Not gonna talk? Then don't talk."). If the end of the chapter has some kind of an impact on the reader, then that'd be a big relief.

edited 15th Sep '14 10:51:05 PM by Pannic

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#35912: Sep 16th 2014 at 1:34:24 AM

Oh... Romance Reports. Never did finish that. My understanding of what does transpire is that while it may go "Twilight going on a series of one-night stands isn't actually a good thing, " it also makes it so that what she does to Braeburn doesn't have actual consequences, and it doesn't look like its groan-inducing handling of the characters gets better, either.

I got used like that by a real-life equivalent of Cleo from Clone High. Our mutual friend was shocked that I fell in love so quickly and that I was so hurt by her leaving. According to her, usually there aren't any consequences, the guys take it for what it is and then let go. The likes of me and Braeburn are anomalies. In fact, our inherent intensity is a turnoff.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
YamiVizzini Since: Jan, 2001
#35913: Sep 16th 2014 at 4:36:23 AM

Not to derail the thread further, but good grief blaming the victim for wanting something meaningful.sad

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#35914: Sep 16th 2014 at 4:41:01 AM

Apparently the likes of us become popular at the Single Woman Seeks Good Man stage, which is to say starting around our middle thirties.

Maybe that's material for a fic. But it hits a bit too close to home. I don't think I can write a story like that.

I'm catching up on Project Horizons. That fic is good. My poor little attempts at writing are awed at the sheer amount of skill the author displays. How the information flows naturally. How the scenes and moments are structured. How the characters "are themselves". How the drama hits. It's all incredibly immersive. Although the Narrative Filigree and, in particular, the long, elaborate fight sequences can get too much at times.

edited 16th Sep '14 4:43:33 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#35915: Sep 16th 2014 at 5:36:45 AM

I rarely downvote stories unless they're really terrible, and given that I generally don't read stories that I don't think I'd enjoy to begin with, it doesn't come up much. The only story I've ever downvoted without actually reading it was that one where the description made it clear that Shining Armor was sexually abusing Twilight, because fuck no.

edited 16th Sep '14 5:37:47 AM by JapaneseTeeth

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#35916: Sep 16th 2014 at 5:46:48 AM

I don’t forgive you, Lancer. I saw a coward murder more than a dozen of his own kind, including his own mother and sister, in cold blood because he was too afraid to do the right thing and tell whoever gave that order to go fuck himself. Or simply let them live and then lie about it. You’re a coward and a murderer and I don’t expect that that will ever change.

And this is how it becomes blatant which era this story was written in. Had this been written before World War I, people would have laughed at the insanity. We've really redefined what it means to be brave and to be a coward, what it means to have honour and to do the right thing. I think it's for the best, really. But who knows what future generations might think of us.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
#35917: Sep 16th 2014 at 10:23:18 AM

[up] I sure hope the modern definition sticks around. Though I'm worried because everyone on the news can't seem to stop beating the war drum. tongue

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#35919: Sep 16th 2014 at 10:34:37 AM

[up] And this is why I have a hard time imagining the Pony-Zebra war happening at all, let alone Celestia stepping down halfway.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#35920: Sep 16th 2014 at 10:37:17 AM

I got used like that by a real-life equivalent of Cleo from Clone High. Our mutual friend was shocked that I fell in love so quickly and that I was so hurt by her leaving. According to her, usually there aren't any consequences, the guys take it for what it is and then let go. The likes of me and Braeburn are anomalies. In fact, our inherent intensity is a turnoff.
My point is it sounds like a cheap way of resolving a conflict in a story.

Also, chapter 2 had Princess Luna and the "Congratulations on a job well done masturbating" letter. I doubt the story can retroactively make that not stupid.

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Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#35921: Sep 16th 2014 at 10:37:36 AM

As is in story, no, after a decade of tension, maybe.

Also, does make sense, and, if you count Days of Wasp and Spider as a prequel to not just FIM, but to the FOE verse of FIM. It makes a LOT more sense, it just, fits together so well.

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#35923: Sep 16th 2014 at 10:53:52 AM

it sounds like a cheap way of resolving a conflict in a story

I don't understand what your concern is. Could you rephrase it?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#35924: Sep 16th 2014 at 10:57:29 AM

Twilight does something bad. Rather than have a consequence she has to live with and own up to, the problem resolves itself.

I guess that's not as much of a problem if she does, in fact, learn something from it. But nine chapters in and the story has literally nothing I like.

edited 16th Sep '14 11:09:46 AM by Pannic

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#35925: Sep 16th 2014 at 11:09:40 AM

Yeah, that's what Real Life careless people count on. The Great Gatsby used that to great effect. It's realistic, but makes for anticlimactic storytelling.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

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