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#26: Mar 17th 2012 at 6:17:30 PM

I'm with feo and Milos. Order all the way.

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Ramus Lead. from some computer somwhere. Since: Aug, 2009
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#27: Mar 17th 2012 at 6:19:02 PM

Mostly orderly but when I'm in the mood, it's going to be chaos. After all, you can't out think everyone if you're always doing the same thing.

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#28: Mar 17th 2012 at 6:21:28 PM

Chaorder!

Just wanted to throw that out.

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#29: Mar 17th 2012 at 6:56:11 PM

Chaos. It's much more fun.

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#30: Mar 18th 2012 at 1:09:07 AM

Granted, I really like Chaos, but it doesn't mean the same as what D&D implies. Maybe order and disorder are two sides of the same coin, and the coin is chaos.

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#31: Mar 18th 2012 at 1:15:46 AM

Well, D&D Lawful Vs Chaotic, I'm 10,000% chaotic. I wouldn't want it any other way.

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#32: Mar 18th 2012 at 1:21:00 AM

It depends on the enviornment. Chaos can sometimes make for a lot of fun if you're just wrecking havoc with your friends in a carefree manor, but any other times I just end up with my nerves shot.

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#33: Mar 18th 2012 at 2:33:30 PM

Order... because the universe tends toward chaos and I'm a rebel.

:P

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#34: Mar 18th 2012 at 2:35:06 PM

Eh, it's easy enough to be a rebel by being order oriented, so long as you're trying to reestablish order.

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#35: Mar 18th 2012 at 2:36:11 PM

It doesn't matter. They're all just definitions or even illusions that aren't objectively true. They're not even opposites, they're part of the same thing. Human things like law and freedom aren't even a part of it, unlike what D&D seems to imply.
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#36: Mar 18th 2012 at 3:29:58 PM

Order, of course. The sanctity of truth cannot stand chaos.

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Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
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#37: Mar 18th 2012 at 3:35:04 PM

Yes.

Generally, I think that the interesting stuff happens at the border between order and chaos. Both pure order and pure chaos strike me as, well, dull. But the area in which they interact, now that is a nice place.

EDIT:

But ultimately, I find both concepts equivalent.

One one hand, chaos is like an ocean, and order is but a current within it — it does not fight against it in any meaningful sense, nor it could.

But on the other hand, chaos itself follow rules. Everything does, because "not following rules" is a rule in itself. So chaos is, in a way, a sort of order.

Or perhaps, I am just being silly. Could be. I'm not really paying much attention at what I'm writing tongue

edited 18th Mar '12 3:42:29 PM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
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#38: Mar 18th 2012 at 5:28:20 PM

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#39: Mar 18th 2012 at 5:59:20 PM

Neutral Good. I'd never do evil to my fellow men... But don't expect me to take any orders. :P

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#40: Mar 18th 2012 at 7:41:04 PM

Order unless it doesn't work.

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#41: Mar 19th 2012 at 9:05:53 AM

I lean more towards chaos, as I place a high value on freedom and happiness. Yeah, some laws are necessary to keep society from falling apart and to protect the innocent (like Beholderess said), but an excess of law is oppressive, and if a law if unjust, it needs to be done away with. Chaotic Good does not necessarily equal Chaotic Stupid, it's just that a lot of heroes are portrayed that way.

Then again, I guess the fact that I think some degree of order is necessary makes my ideal Neutral Good.

edited 19th Mar '12 9:10:11 AM by Xandriel

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#42: Mar 19th 2012 at 9:24:20 AM

To expand on my previous post, hear (well, read) these words from the Principia:

To choose order over disorder, or disorder over order, is to accept a trip composed of both the creative and the destructive. But to choose the creative over the destructive is an all-creative trip composed of both order and disorder. To accomplish this, one need only accept creative disorder along with, and equal to, creative order, and also willing to reject destructive order as an undesirable equal to destructive disorder.

The Curse of Greyface included the division of life into order/disorder as the essential positive/negative polarity, instead of building a game foundation with creative/destructive as the essential positive/negative. He has thereby caused man to endure the destructive aspects of order and has prevented man from effectively participating in the creative uses of disorder. Civilization reflects this unfortunate division.

POEE proclaims that the other division is preferable, and we work toward the proposition that creative disorder, like creative order, is possible and desirable; and that destructive order, like destructive disorder, is unnecessary and undesirable.

Seek the Sacred Chao - therein you will find the foolishness of all ORDER/DISORDER. They are the same!

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#43: Mar 19th 2012 at 10:11:10 AM

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#44: Mar 19th 2012 at 12:33:13 PM

Naney is like that :p

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#45: Mar 20th 2012 at 7:26:35 PM

Chaos theory is... interesting, to say the least.

I read part of a book on it once, and it talked about "layers" of order and chaos; on different scales of matter, order or chaos prevailed, and it kept switching...

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#46: Mar 22nd 2012 at 11:58:44 AM

Order or chaos?

Yes.

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#47: Mar 22nd 2012 at 12:15:12 PM

I choose balance, as per usual.

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Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
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#48: Mar 22nd 2012 at 12:52:49 PM

Isn't it a bit of an extreme position to always pick balance? If you are really balanced, sometimes you should pick an extreme position.

Which is what you are doing in this case, in effect; so I admit that your position is truly the most balanced one ever.

And this means that it is unbalanced in favor of balance. tongue

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
juancarlos Faith in the self. Since: Mar, 2012
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#49: Mar 22nd 2012 at 12:58:16 PM

I sometimes choose unbalance, but this is not one of those times. And there are very few times when it's one of those times. Hence, "as per usual" and not, "as always"

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Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
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#50: Mar 22nd 2012 at 1:00:10 PM

Ah. OK. Then I have to admit that yours is truly a perfectly, dare I say extremely, balanced position. tongue

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

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