What exactly is this trope?: Playing To The Fetishes

I think that the previous definition would be covered by Three Minutes of Writhing. I think.

I don't think they're quite the same, although there's certainly a relation.

The problem has been pointed out several times. Everyone has their fetishes, everything is a fetish to someone. Yes, even you Mr boobie-fan.

Well, maybe there is a a pattern of music videos with BDSM themes, sound a lot than the definition we have now.

Why bother with bdsm themes? Dancing is a fetish.

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Are you just going to keep bumping this until you get people to agree with you?

The trope page probably needs a cleanup and rewrite, but the trope (using Fetish Fuel to attempt to lure in a Periphery Demographic) certainly exists as a subtrope of Sex Sells.

People already agree with me. A work can not pander to a Periphery Demographic, defeats the purpose of being a Periphery Demographic.

Edit: This is not a subtrope to Sex Sells. Sex Sells deals with advertisements not what's being advertised.

edited 4th Dec '11 3:12:25 PM by captainpat

That very page disagrees with you.

Which page?

Both of them.

Periphery Demographic : Series with strong marketing sense usually profit from being at least slightly aware of these fans, if not outright creating Multiple Demographic Appeal. Unfortunately, this creates the danger of an annoying Periphery Demographic being viewed as a Misaimed Fandom, if not outright Fan Dumb.

Sex Sells: Here's a question for you. Say you have a new product or an old product in new packaging. You want to sell a lot of it and you want to sell it quickly. How? Do you describe it exactly how it is on the tin? Do you try to compare to other products? No way. Just think about it: you want people to buy what you sell. People buy what they like. People like sex. So you should equate what you sell with sex! Easy as pie...served by bikini-clad models.

Sex Sells is about using sexual materials in advertising. Playing to the Fetishes is about including sexual materials in the work itself for the same purpose.

edited 4th Dec '11 3:49:56 PM by KiTA

I don not understand what you're saying. You're not even quoting the definitions of those tropes. If a show has Multiple Demographic Appeal then which ever audience being is not a Periphery Demographic.

Yes, those are direct quotes from the trope pages.

But you're not quoting the definitions of those trope. You're just quoting part of the trope that doesn't have anything to do with defining the trope.

Anyway, We can't have a trope simply based on the author's intentions.

I dunno, if we use that as a litmus test Author Appeal has to go, as does about half of Creator Standpoint Index, just as a start.

Which ones in the Creator Standpoint Index? Author Appeal has a has trs thread (Which I need to get back to).

edited 4th Dec '11 5:08:33 PM by captainpat

I'm hesitant to give you more random TRS threads to bump without adding anything to the discussion, but just off the cuff: Artist Disillusionment, Doing It for the Art, Pandering to the Base, Writer Revolt, Writer on Board, Bored On Board...

Most of these require either Word of God to state them outright, some form of fandom telepathy... or interpretation. And you're arguing that a trope based on interpretation is inappropriate.

This is the second time this thread has died and you've bumped it from like, page 10 without adding anything to the discussion. If you feel there is a problem with the page, please start offering direct questions or suggestions about the appropriateness of the entries (I'm all for that, some of them belong in Author Appeal), help with a rewrite (I just finished a partial rewrite of the introduction, will do more after finals are over), or just let it go.

As an aside — we have Parental Bonus. Why not rename this to "Pervert Bonus"?

I don't think I like the implication that anyone with some kind of fetish is a "pervert". The people who deliberately try to find this "trope" in any work they can are another story... but let's not go there.

For the record, I personally think that a large section of the Creator Standpoint Index is broken for the very reasons you cite, where "broken" is defined as "confusing and subject to natter and (often fairly literal) fanwank". So I don't see the argument that those pages are like this one as much evidence that this page doesn't need fixing.

He's talking about those who pursue those fetishes and watch certain shows because of them. Your mileage may still vary, of course.

The description may need a rewrite. I can't tell if this is for inserting fetishistic material so a Periphery Demographic will take notice, a work based on fetishistic material, or both.

Both, I would think. It's just a matter of extent, really.

Clock set by request.

Pretty sure Artist Disillusionment is a plot trope, Doing It for the Art is trivia, Pandering to the Base is YMMV, Writer Revolt is on it way to being trivia, and Bored On Board has been cut. So I don't know about the rest of the "tropes" under Creator Standpoint Index but they need a pass through.

Anyway, If this is going to require knowing why certain content is in a work or Word of God, then it's not a trope.

Well this most certainly would fall under Fanservice. So can we sort out what way(s) it fits as its own trope, if any?

I don't really see how this is a separate trope from either Author Appeal or Fanservice...