First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
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Coronation Street star Marc Anwar 'sacked over racist tweets about Indians'
The Pakistan-born [actor], who plays Sharif Nazir in the long-running soap, is said to have referred to Indian people as "b———s" and "p—- drinking c—-s" in tweets posted on Friday.
ITV bosses were alerted to the messages, which have since been deleted, and issued a statement saying that the actor would not return to the programme.
Anwar, 45, has appeared in Hollywood films such as Captain Phillips and The 51st State.
The Sunday Mirror published a screenshot of the alleged tweets from Anwar's account, which has privacy protection enabled.
The paper said he had hit out at India over Kashmir and called for Pakistani actors to stop working in the country.
The tweets also appeared to refer to Indian people as"b———s" and "p—- drinking c—-s".
The paper quoted an ITV statement as saying: "We are deeply shocked by the entirely unacceptable, racially offensive comments made on Twitter by Marc Anwar.
"We have talked to Marc and, as a consequence of his comments, he will not be returning to Coronation Street with immediate effect."
edited 25th Sep '16 8:12:27 AM by Greenmantle
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Censoring the words like that makes it nearly imposible to tell what he said, which kind of defeats the point of reporting on it...
Jupiterian Local
I read it pretty clearly as "bitches" and "piss-drinking cunts".
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Ahhhhh. :/
And thats probaly because you speak the language being used nativly. >.<
I could only guess the first one and last one....
United Earth
That's not racist so much as bigoted nationalism.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
The law in the night
When it comes to India-Pakistan relations, it gets pretty hard to separate which one is which.
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Comments like that are classified as racism here. You don't have to be a different race to be racist — a different nationality is enough.
Actually, in British Law:
edited 25th Sep '16 9:56:38 PM by Greenmantle
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Feels bad man: The ADL has added racist Pepes to its hate symbol database.
The great contributions the alt-right has made to the human condition, ladies and gentlemen.
edited 27th Sep '16 4:32:25 AM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
The law in the night
The only Pepes I had in my folder are the feels good man and feels sad man.
I'd be surprised but since I still post on the cesspool of 4chan quite often, I am not all that surprised. The meme evolved from a stock reaction image to a stock image of a smug asshole and then it became a smug alt right asshole.
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To the ADL's credit, at least they acknowledge that most Pepes are not bigoted in nature.
Impossible Gender Forge
I read a book about that. It was called Spies of Mississippi.
It was super interesting. In one case I remember, they blackmailed a guy using the fact that he was gay.
I was having such a great day yesterday and then I found out THERE'S A SITCOM ABOUT A MAIL-ORDER BRIDE FROM THE PHILIPPINES.
YES, IT IS AS BAD AS YOU THINK.
Human trafficking is a HORRIBLE PROBLEM in South and Southeast Asia, and this white lady thinks she gets a pass to talk about it in such a horrible way because her stepmom was Filipino?
ENDLESS RAGE.
I just...... what, why would some one make a sitcom about that?
God, I read her Twitter where a shitton of Asian-Americans called her out on it, and she kept trying to justify it by going "DON'T JUDGE ME ON THIS PREMISE, WAIT TILL YOU SEE THE ACTUAL SHOW," like a comedy about human-trafficking isn't the most Audience-Alienating Premise ever, and it's pretty damn telling that she hasn't talked to her actual stepmom about the sitcom based on her life.
I would have been for a show about South/Southeast Asian human trafficking as a BLACK comedy where the humor is clearly a method to soften the blow of sex-slavery and human-rights violations, but it would still need a crapton of Asian and Asian-American input on it.
This, though? It's got NOPE written all over it.
And yeah, people said that the first episode is exactly as bad as they thought.
edited 30th Sep '16 12:49:01 PM by Sharysa
.......<frantically searches for an appropriate facepalm gif, comes up empty>
The law in the night
edited 30th Sep '16 1:18:36 PM by AngelusNox
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In the future, you can link to/embed this.
I looked up the Twitter of the writer whose step-mother Mail Order Family was based on, and found something very interesting. Going by a couple of tweets, she was apparently trying to defy the stereotype of the "submissive Asian woman", and flipped the character of the mother to be the opposite (assertive) - only then to get hit with these accusations of glossing over the dark side of the trade for foreign wives.
So...uh...oops?
edited 30th Sep '16 1:22:30 PM by TotemicHero
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
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If her goal is to defy the stereotype of the "submissive Asian woman", why did she pick that premise and use it as a sitcom? I don't think even George Carlin can salvage that one.
@Sharysa: Yeah, it's pretty disgusting. We were actually ranting about this the other day over in the Film Diversity and Representation thread - I have no idea why they thought that would be a good premise for a comedy series. Filipino-American writer Angel Cruz went on a pretty vicious Twitter rant about the whole debacle. Jeff Yang has also been lambasting it. And...actually, it'd probably be easier to list the writers of color (especially Asian-Americans) who haven't been tearing this concept a new one.
Human sex trafficking is not a fucking joke, it's a nightmare. The concept of mail-order brides lends itself to, if we're being very generous, an extremely black and deconstruction-heavy comedy that goes out of its way to subvert and lambast stereotypes and harmful perceptions about Asian women. And even just from the title alone, this sounds more like "ha ha, look how wacky this family is!"
Besides, as you say, a story of that nature, if they did go the severely Black Comedy route, is something that should be written by Asian people, and Asian women in particular. Not a bunch of white people who can arrogantly dismiss or condescend to the very community that they're harming.
It all gets worse when you find out that the guy that the play is apparently loosely based on (the father of the writer) sounds like a racist, sexist dirtbag. Though the writer (his daughter) talks about him with a fondness that does not exactly inspire confidence in me. Like he's just a wacky old eccentric dude - let's make a sitcom about him.
That black expat lady is leagues more patient than I am.
Yeah, so right now I'm raging about it as a Filipino-American.
Apparently, Jackie Clarke seems to GENUINELY want to help Asian-Americans out with representation, but she doesn't comprehend that her privilege and her utter lack of understanding race relations is making things worse.
The only good thing is that the petition is growing by at least 50-100 signatures by the hour, so we should be able to finish the petition in a couple more days.
Unfortunately, Asians are pretty heavy on racism. I don't like it.
edited 30th Sep '16 2:04:56 PM by Sharysa
Yeah, if you want to help a certain marginalized community, then great. But you need to approach your means of doing so from a position of deference and respect - and acknowledge your relative privilege and lack of nuanced understanding of the nature of the situation.
Instead, it sounds like she's getting backlash from Filipinos and Filipino-Americans and pretty much everybody else, and responding with "oh, you'll just have to wait and seeeee."
Also, yeah. Anti-black racism is depressingly endemic among Asians (and Asian-Americans are no exception, unfortunately). I mean, remember this horrible commercial? Or when Finn got shrunk down to about a quarter of his original size on the otherwise-unchanged Chinese poster for The Force Awakens?
So I watched Straight Outta Compton last weekend... nothing's really changed, has it? In some cases, it's worse. I imagine if the Rodney King scenario played out today, they'd probably just shoot him dead and be done with it.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/145266/145266
A view of racism in America from a Filipino immigrant who moved to Philadelphia after she married an American.