Cutting the main page: Incest Yay

We had a thread for the Wizards of Waverly Place subpage (which I still think was closed prematurely), but not all of the arguments for cutting it apply to the main page.

One of the main arguments is that the fans are imagining it. That's true for a lot of the Yay pages, but even if the fans are imagining it, that's still no reason to cut the main page. Incestuous subtext is something that does exist in shows, and it's not plausible that every single example on the main page is being imagined even if one show is. It's also hard to argue "it's a children's show" for the main page, which covers shows of all types. (Besides, there are reasons why children's shows can contain subtext that is inappropriate for children. Sailor Moon is one of the most famous examples, because of Dub Text.)

I say keep the page, but treat it like the Fetish Fuel one, keeping most/all examples at bay.

Incest Yay is definitely a thing that can happen in shows invoked by the authors, therefore it should be a trope.

Aren't the yay tropes, by definition, unintentional?

No, Ho Yay and Ho Yay Shipping are different.

I would be hard pressed to say that 1) House and Wilson don't have loads of Ho Yay in House MD 2) the Ho Yay between them was unintentional and/or accidental from the writers'/director's part.

Or you could add it to the Fetish Fuel Wiki. if you're going to create a ghetto might as well put all the undesireables in it.

If tropes can get into the ghetto, then we could as well delete Brother–Sister Incest, Parental Incest, and Incest Is Realtive.

Hope you realize I was being sarcastic. And bitter. A lot of the fun is leaving this site in the name of political correctness.

I wouldn't go that far. All the pervy stuff is over in Fetish Fuel Wikia and that hasn't died a failure-tastic death.

Oh, no, not another one of these posts. If you really think that talking about how you want to make it with a cartoon character is fun, then go to the Fetish Fuel wiki and stop going on about it here. The pages weren't cut because of "political correctness", but because they were truly creepy.

In regards to the topic at hand, I'll post what I had to say on the other thread:

In other words, stuff that is creepy but actually on-mission should not be cut.

Everything in that post applies to Incest Yay

edited 16th May '11 1:06:21 PM by EternalSeptember

Ok, the trope title Incest Yay gives a bit of a creepy feel, I give you that. If I was the emperor of this wiki, I'd rename it to Incestous Subtext asap.

Now, could we get to where we don't suppose the writers of the examples wrote them because they found the subtext hot?

Off topic: How are these Yay-trope not subjective? since when has subtext never been open to personal interpretations?

Not all subtext is subjective. It was decided in a crowner to split them all, along Ho Yay Shipping and Ho Yay lines, as "these two characters have chemisty"/"are shipped in the fandom" kind of statements from objective ones that reference a particular scene.

edited 16th May '11 1:30:49 PM by EternalSeptember

There was a page (Incest Yay Shipping, I think) where fandom examples could be put, and left the objective examples here in Incest Yay. Was the main page deleted just because of Unfortunate Implications, or what? I'm having less and less reasons to visit this wiki, really.

Okay, I'm not a fan of incest and I'm not shedding any tears over the creepy/TMI stuff being moved to a different wiki. That being said: why was this page just cut when it seems as though there was no consensus to do so? If it was an executive decision by an admin, then never mind me, but otherwise it seems a bit premature.

Cut by Fast Eddie. Executive decision by the site owner. Incest Yay Shipping still exists, so I think we're only going to have that, since the only show on TV I know of where it's canonical is Game Of Thrones.

edited 16th May '11 5:57:21 PM by TheOneWhoTropes

So, should we delve into its history and put Incest Yay into Fetish Fuel Wiki?

Still, at least some consistent reasoning would be good. We have disturbing pages like Rape Is Love, subtext pages (like Ho Yay), treated as tropes, even disturbing subtext pages like Token Loli, yet the reasoning behind cutting this seems to be that it was disturbing, period.

It creates a bad precedent, without an example of what made it standing out.

edited 17th May '11 12:43:59 AM by EternalSeptember

Cutting a trope?

@Chihuahua That would probably be best, although a google cache would get more recent results.

since the only show on TV I know of where it's canonical is Game Of Thrones.

Incest Yay is subtext, which by definition is not canonical any more than any of the other Yay tropes are.

Though subtext can be intentionally added and confirmed by Word of God. Some writers just like playing it coy.

Hardly "for the best". As it was pointed, this open a very dangerous precedent. So, now we cut tropes because they are "perverted". I guess we should start look through the Rape Tropes and Porn Tropes to make sure we don't let any "perverted trope" dirtying the wiki. Lets move them all to some other wiki nobody cares or pay attention.

Incest Yay is a trope. Our mission is categorize tropes. There is no reason we should start cutting perfectly good based only in false moralism. If it is causing problem, lock it. Ban the culprits. But don't cut the page. This is very harmful to the wiki in the long run.