Definition unclear: Gainax Ending

I'd debate some of your calls (Alan Wake is definitely Trippy Finale Syndrome rather than Gainax Ending, for example, while Portal 2 isn't Mind Screw so much as just odd), but that's not the kind of misuse that can be fixed by a rename.

Gainax Ending is really just any combination of those, exemplified by NGE and Gainax.

"I— there's some things that are still unresolved here, guys."
"Was this all in my mind? Wh-what's an Eva? Is that sort of a Freudian thing?"
"You ran out of ink too, didn't you, ya bastards?"

If we want to narrow it down, that's okay, but I don't see too much of a problem. Congratulations!

edited 10th Oct '11 12:54:41 PM by hotrods4ben

I really don't see how arguments that focus on the Trope Namer have a lot of weight here - the primary reason to support this name is that it may have caught on despite the fandom-based name. As far as I know, if it's caught on here, it's as Mind Screw Ending, not No Budget Ending, so if we keep it, then the definition should be the former.

Rename seems likely to fail. Is there any objection to putting in that one rewrite?

Nope, the rewrite is good.

So once again we're going to keep a shitty, too-narrow, medium specific, unintelligible, opaque, confusing name because its popular, all the while acknowledging that, yes, its a shitty, too-narrow, medium specific, unintelligible, opaque, confusing name and likely should be changed.

It never ceases to amaze me when this sort of thing happens.

edited 11th Oct '11 5:14:16 AM by Worldmaker

Actually, we realized the opposite. Instead of simply throwing words out, why don't you actually prove that it is so, preferably using an argument that doesn't just boil down to "I don't know what this word means, so it's bad, boo hoo".

Because I already have, and the point has been acknowledged. The word "gainax" only signifies with people aware of what gainax is supposed to be. Its medium specific, as has been demonstrated. Its overly narrow, as has been demonstrated.

Do I have to go on here, or will you step out of the Fan Myopia a moment to acknowledge that yes, its a bad name?

The only proper statement you made was that it was a medium specific name. Fair enough observation, however, you still haven't shown why we need to rename it. If it were:

1. Causing extensive misuse, and having that misuse due to the title
2. Being underused due to the name
3. A name that was non-descript, or contradictory

Then I could see why a rename was necessary. If it's not causing a problem, other than the fact that you don't know what the word "Gainax" means (I didn't, either, before seeing this trope; like I said before, I'm not an anime fan), then you'll have to actually show that there is a problem before demanding a change. I, for one, associate the word "Gainax" with this trope, not with the studio.

edited 11th Oct '11 6:41:41 AM by tropetown

Other than misuse (and the misuse argument fails on its face in my opinion, a shitty name that's being used correctly does not stop being a shitty name), all those points have been argued and acknowledged, and by more people than myself. Perhaps you should actually read the thread...

But the point is that once again we're going to keep a shitty, too-narrow, medium specific, unintelligible, opaque, confusing name because its popular, all the while acknowledging that, yes, its a shitty, too-narrow, medium specific, unintelligible, opaque, confusing name and likely should be changed.

edited 11th Oct '11 7:17:13 AM by Worldmaker

Well, the crowner's in the negative now, so there's not much point in keeping this going.

If it works it ain't shitty.

No. Anything can work. If we'd named this trope "Freon Ho Ending," it would get no misuse (who'd use it besides those who knew the meaning?) and people who'd been on the site for months would understand it - and we'd would be completely indifferent to newcomers' confusion. It would still be a bad name.

edited 11th Oct '11 7:43:13 PM by Routerie

Well, I'm going to assume the crowner failed and go look for the rewritten version now.

Is this the one that people want to use? Minus the part about the budget running out, which we've agreed is not part of this.

edited 11th Oct '11 7:34:06 PM by Arha

I still think "budget running how might be part of the reason for this" is legit, but I won't complain if everyone else wants to remove it.

It's already gone from the current page by consensus of the thread.

That looks good.

I know it's a bit disappointing that this didn't get renamed this time, but that's life. There will be other opportunities in the future.

I always wonder though - yes it is possible that there is no misuse, but at the same time, it is possible that they'd rather have a better name, but have no choice but to stick with this trope because it's the one on the site.

I highly doubt it. Gainax fans run like scourge and somehow they multiply when attacked.

edited 12th Oct '11 5:17:14 PM by Ookamikun

Oh, there will be another opportunity. As long as the TRS exists and someone doesn't like the trope name, it'll get brought up again.

Exactly - which, in fact, is why I at least voted against the rename despite having no knowledge of what a "gainax" is independent of this article and a great personal dislike for the name. Unlike, say, Nakama, in which case 1) TV Tropes' attitude on what kinds of names were acceptable had changed a great deal, and 2) it had become clear that the name was not just Gratuitous Japanese, but incorrect Gratuitous Japanese, nothing had changed since the last time there was an attempt to rename this. In fact, the objective here wasn't even necessarily to rename it at first, just clarify the poor description, but the thread was hijacked by those opposed to the name.

As long as nothing - official policy, usage on the site, whatever - changes in regard to this name, I am going to be against renaming it, not because I like it at all, but because repeatedly trying to rename a trope based solely on "I don't like it" as a reason was bad behavior even before the TRS thread cap was established - and with the cap, it goes from merely obnoxious to outright inconveniencing the site by taking up space that could be filled by a productive thread.

Let's just institute the re-write and leave it at that.

This thread's original purpose was to clear up the definition of the trope and that's been done.

@Arha: Yeah, that's the one we want, I think.

edited 12th Oct '11 6:18:20 PM by RocketDude

All of which are fair points brought up in a reasonable way.

I've never been fond of the name, but this ordeal has shown to me that I'll need a better reason than "it's an ambiguous name" for a future rename. I do plan on bringing it up again - but when that day comes, I'm going to be prepared with better arguments.

Well, trope rewritten then. I think we're done here, yes?