Inconsistent pattern?: What Do You Mean Its Not An Index

Based on this tangent in another thread, I think it might be worthwhile just checking for inconsistencies in the naming pattern here.

edited 1st Apr '11 9:10:58 AM by neoYTPism

On a sidenote, I'll copy my hottips from my post in that thread here.

What Do You Mean, It's Not Awesome?: X is the notion that a moment is not awesome; it is treated as though it were awesome, often satirically, as a way to parody generic epic style.

What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?: X is the assumption that a work is not for kids. For whatever reason (often people automatically assuming a work to be kid-friendly if it is a fantasy work, an animated work, a musical, or any linear combination of the above) it is treated as though it were for kids.

What Do You Mean, It's Not Didactic?: X is the notion that a work is not didactic... my understanding of the trope is lackluster, at best, though, so I do not know what to say about it.

What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?: X is the notion that a work is lacking in political messages but is treated as if it had more than it has. (The Dark Knight Saga and the Star Wars prequel trilogy come to mind.) In practice, though, some of the messages are quite evident. (The Star Wars prequel trilogy arguably wasn't even that subtle about it.) The trope should either be split or renamed, or alternatively the examples should be cleaned up such that they specify whether or not they are subversions or inversions or whatever.

What Do You Mean It's Not Heinous?: X is the notion that a deed is not heinous, but it is treated as though it is. This is not limited to characters in fictional stories either; it could be a style of speaking, or a review of a story, etc...

A few more not mentioned in Madrugada's post were What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? (where X is the notion that a work is for kids, yet is treated as though it is not; though really, interpretations vary on whether the voices of "it's for kids!" are more prominent than the ones saying otherwise, let alone whether the evidence that it actually IS outweighs the evidence that it is not) and What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs?. (Where something that was not made on drugs is treated as though it were. In practice of course, it is hard to prove that something was NOT made on drugs.) Another from the index would be What Do You Mean, It's Not for Little Girls?, where X is the notion that a work is not for little girls but is treated as though it is. Another still is Faux Symbolism, which again, I am not sure if I understand enough to comment on.

edited 19th Jul '11 4:05:15 PM by Madrugada

This is another reason why I think we should have a rule for dealing with irrelavent snowclones.

The only one I think is fine wick-wise is "What Do You Mean, It's Not For Kids?" and it's counterpart, in part because people have actually said that in real life. (IE: What do you mean, little billy can't watch this cartoon? It's gotta be for kids!)

The others are just confusing. You don't need to look any further than the one we had for symbolism to see that.

edited 18th May '11 10:26:19 AM by KingClark

My honest opinion? Do away with the index and rename them all. It probably won't go through, but none of these tropes are really related except through snowcloning (with the exception of What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? and its inverse).

Bumping because I think this ought to be addressed.

edited 15th Jul '11 8:24:26 AM by neoYTPism

There's definitely a problem here. Nrjxll's proposal seems like it might work.

The only thing in the way, would be the wicks and inbounds on the Individual Tropes.

Ok, Here's the Wicks and Inbounds.

• What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? Wicks: 421, Inbounds: 800

• What Do You Mean, It's Not Awesome? Wicks: 2344, Inbounds: 11,787

• What Do You Mean, It's Not Didactic? Wicks: 175, Inbounds: 1,799

• What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? Wicks: 566, Inbounds: 5,217

• What Do You Mean It's Not Heinous? Wicks: 466, Inbounds: 464

• What Do You Mean, It's Not Political? Wicks: 129, Inbounds: 270

• What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs? Wicks: 820, Inbounds: 8,547

• What Do You Mean, It's Not for Little Girls? Wicks: 16, Inbounds: 79

Awesome, Kids, Didactic, and Drugs have some pretty high numbers. But what do you think?

edited 19th Jul '11 4:15:26 PM by pokedude10

I un-hottipped your second post, because while the points may have been tangential to the other discussion, they are very much relevant to this one, and there's no reason to hide them.

I just figured the text should be smaller for the examples than for the main point. In hindsight it's probably better this way anyway though.