Did strikethrough get axed when nobody was looking?

Edit: I need to start paying attention to the post numbers

edited 25th Mar '11 7:36:06 PM by CentralAvenue

As has been stated or implied by others here, I should state again: Misuse of a feature does not mean it should be removed, it means that its use should be corrected.

And correcting a lot of entries and discussion pages due to markup will result in lots more work than simply corrected misused instances of it in the wiki.

I've lost some hours of my life removing incorrect uses of text (many of which were far worse than I've ever seen strike get), and probably had better uses of my time. Doesn't mean I want to see that gone.

It's like two more keystrokes :|

Haven't hottips been changed as well?

Now they're basically underline plus annotation. Which isn't as good since they used to serve nicely if someone just put up an asterisk and an annotation if you clicked said asterisk.

edited 25th Mar '11 8:45:09 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

As I see this issue:

In terms of tools Fast Eddie and the other mods have that we, as tropers, don't, they mostly all fall under the "blunt force" category (bans, thread blanks, deletions, and such). In short, if a problem comes to a mod's attention (either by them stumbling on it, or another troper reporting it), chances are that the underlying assumption is that the normal tools that tropers have could not and will not solve the problem.

The mods would rather not, I think, resort to such methods, but finesse solutions take time they don't have. That's where consensus comes in - it's supposed to pick these things off before they become a problem. But not everyone comes to the wiki to solve problems though, and Somebody Else's Problem is a real hassle. Thus, when this finally came to Eddie's attention...

Perhaps we need to work out some general guidelines for specific markup features like hottips, subscript, color text, and so on, so that people have a better sense of misuse and abuse. That way, we have better approaches for things like this in the future. Either way, being reactive doesn't prevent Eddie from removing these tools - being proactive does.

edited 25th Mar '11 8:51:53 PM by TotemicHero

Nthing this.

Even if I don't agree with the decision to remove the strike markup from the wiki, I can certainly understand why it was done, and I won't complain about it.

But is there a reason that we can't do the same thing we did with the    evil    tag and allow it on the forums, but not the wiki? I haven't ever seen it cause problems there.

(If this has been answered in this thread already, sorry for bringing it up again.)

   Nthing this too.    I wanted to use strikethrough in a post, but it was removed...

edited 26th Mar '11 1:53:49 PM by chihuahua0

I've already said this but I still think this was a bad move like using duct tape to fix a raging water pipe. Instead of fixing the actual pipe. It just seems no offense a bit lazy, now we need to go through and fix it. Or , just ignore them, as we have no obligation to fix them, it's just polite.

I fixed a strikethrough use on "Truman Show" Plot that wouldn't have made sense without the stricken text.

I am sure it's not coming back.

Someone please explain how to fix Duck!. It seems impossible since the strikethrough is part of a quote.

My Population: X, and Counting trope had a good quote illustrating the concept. Without the strikethrough feature, it turns into an elaborate and meandering description instead.

I don't see why we should get rid of this on the forums.

I mean people (myself included) have used "evil" for    INCREDIBLY STUPID AND UNNECESSARY THINGS    and "evil" hasn't been axed.

edited 28th Mar '11 5:50:50 AM by Belial

I can understand why we don't want to mess with having this on the wiki proper, but I would like to see it back on the forum.

[[strike:text]] has been restored in the non-wiki pages. Forums, Liveblogs, and Reviews. It will remain off in the wiki.

So when are they adding it back to the forums?

Oh.

edited 28th Mar '11 5:06:40 PM by PDown

Can it be put back on Ask The Tropers / Remember That Show / Lost And Found too?

edited 28th Mar '11 5:11:03 PM by zerky

Thanks, Fast Eddie.

Nooo! I never wanted this to happen!

Thanks Fast Eddie.

No, zerky.

Aw, darn. She'll just have to make do with imagined strikethrough. lol

You could gray out text instead.

EDIT: That's not very gray! But in the wiki, more colors can be used, such as lightgray. Or silver. Those might help.

edited 28th Mar '11 6:08:04 PM by BonsaiForest

Please don't. The method of striking-out is not the issue. The un-funniness is the thing.

It doesn't work for the tone we want in the articles. The articles should have the professionalism you would expect from a print magazine. One with a sense of humor.

I won't start up a debate about any one person being the supreme judge of funny. Your wiki, your rules. Instead, I'll thank you for turning it back on in the fora, and list the problems people here are having with not using strikeout that have nothing to do with humor, so as to get official solutions for them.

• Perhaps most importantly, direct quotes that had strikes in them. Other than "just don't use them" we don't have a real fix for that.
• Pages that used strikes extensively, though not necessarily for humor, like the Hold Your Hippogriffs page which used it to show what the original phrase was for context.
• To-do lists to mark items as complete semi-complete/ not priority, or Lost And Found type things as "Found" If we're not supposed to gray out text and don't have strikethrough, what's a preferable solution?
• Least importantly, occasional uses that just added to the article—not necessarily to make a joke, but to emphasize (or de-emphasize for that matter) or to make sense of something.

EDIT: Also, can we get a Wiki Headline on it being back on for the fora?

edited 28th Mar '11 7:37:48 PM by Wulf

"Please don't. The method of striking-out is not the issue. The un-funniness is the thing.

It doesn't work for the tone we want in the articles. The articles should have the professionalism you would expect from a print magazine. One with a sense of humor. "

Are Lost and Found, Ask the Tropers and Remember That Show considered parts of the wiki/articles, then?

zerky is a little confused because the button markup at the top of the page says "Forum Top" which is a little misleading (seems like it's part of the forums). Also she's been posing her queries more casually in those sections of the wiki than she would write in the main articles... If that's a no-no, she'll stop, but she honestly had no idea they were considered to be part of the main site. o_o

edited 28th Mar '11 8:38:56 PM by zerky