Named after character, rename for better clarity, possible splits. New crowner Dec 25: Mega Manning

I think temporarily counts as Mega Manning.

I think the distinction is whether or not the fighter has any skills of their own besides copying opponents.

I'd like to point out the fact that even Mega Manning's Trope Namer appears to be unable to permanently retain his acquired abilities between each game installment. Don't remember if there was any justification for that.

edited 9th Jun '11 2:45:48 PM by MarqFJA

Pretty sure that's irrelevant.

How so?

That said, does it count as Mega Manning if a character "borrows" an ally's power? That's basically what Mahou Sensei Negima's protagonist does with his temporarily acquired Upgrade Artifact: He can summon/duplicate (it's not clear which is it) his various Pactio partners' own Upgrade Artifacts, but only one at a time.

edited 9th Jun '11 2:48:36 PM by MarqFJA

Bag of Spilling mostly.

Yeah, Mega Man's loss of powers between installments is covered by Bag of Spilling.

Aside from my yet-to-be-answered question above.... Bumping for a final resolution on whatever issues are left.

Come to think of it, what issues are left?

Most people seem to be in agreement that the two shouldn't be merged, at the very least. Was there anything else at hand?

There was a complaint that the name is utterly obscure for anyone who has not played the Mega Man game(s) or at least has extensive knowledge about the title character. And whether the example mentioned here fits the trope.

That example is basically what Kirby does, so yeah.

Okay, that leaves us with the obscurity of the name to non-Mega Man knowers.

EDIT: Huh... 723 wicks, and 723 inbounds. Guess the name bled out into troper culture over time. Thoughts?

edited 30th Jun '11 10:53:08 AM by MarqFJA

Thoughts: Mega Man is really popular.

Thoughts: Mega Man is the other franchise by which Crapcom is known.

OTOH, aren't there several Mega Man games now in which the titular character does NOT do any Mega Manning?

In terms of the games named after Mega Man himself, no. The specific mechanics of how he copies enemies can vary (for example, Mega Man Battle Network involves getting chips from defeated enemies, and using those chips allows you to imitate the enemies in question), but each of the games with Mega Man in the title involve Mega Manning.

Now, crossover games are a different story. He doesn't absorb any abilities from enemies in Marvel Vs Capcom, for example. But he's most famous for being able to copy abilities (so the trope name is indicative of the trope if you're at all familiar), and the links/inbounds suggests that the term has caught on overall. I think the trope can be left alone.

Technically, in his Marvel Vs Capcom ending Mega Man does end up copying a "magnetic blaster" (don't remember the exact name, but it has "Magnetic" in it) ability from Onslaught. You never get to use it on New Game Plus, however.

edited 30th Jun '11 6:01:06 PM by MarqFJA

What about Mega Man Legends and the first two games of Mega Man Star Force?

edited 30th Jun '11 6:01:16 PM by Leaper

I think that counts as a Continuity Nod more than anything else.

Mega Man Star Force uses the same chip acquisition mechanic as MMBN, so it uses Mega Manning in the same fashion as the prequel series. I'll give you Mega Man Legends... but with only two outliers in the entire series, and those two are probably the most obscure parts of the series, I think the point about the name fitting stands.

But the trope list for Mega Man Star Force has Mega Manning in it, and says that only the third game has any sort of Mega Manning in it. Is this in error?

As for Mega Man Legends, its writeup says that more characters from that series are in other works than any other, so IMO, that makes it definitely not "obscure."

I guess my point is, this seems to be evidence that the creators don't seem to think that Mega Man games require Mega Manning. This is wrong, of course, but it seems to be there.

Yes, that's an error. While using chips does have its differences from Robot Master weapon acquisition as it appears in Mega Man or Mega Man X, it still fits the basic rules of the trope - you beat an enemy, and you gain the power to use its attack (or a variant of said attack). The limitations on how you use chips (on a per battle basis, with only a certain that can be equipped at a time) is different, but the trope never says anything about what limitations would make a given example apply/not apply.

For the multiple appearances thing... eh, that really depends on how you want to count Tron Bonne's playable appearances. Yes, she debuted in the first Legends game, but everything about how she plays is influenced by The Misadventures Of Tron Bonne, a spinoff with very little serious connection with MML.

Although I don't particularly like the idea of changing the name of Mega manning, perhaps a redirect would be helpful. Mega Manning is named after a character and (the) blue mage. doesn't seem helpful at all.

Perhaps, Augmentation Assimilator or something?

What about naming the redirect after the page quote? Now Ive Got Your Power.

Word of Mod prohibits naming new tropes after lines of dialogue, an opinion which extends to renaming.

Wouldn't that make Shut Up, Hannibal! invalid? But back to topic. Is there a good substitute for "Mega Manning" that can clearly get its meaning across?