General Sonic The Hedgehog thread

A lot of those can be easily added in. If they're done with small games at a time, it'd be great. And Sonic the Fighters was recently re-made, so Nack/Fang, Bark, and Mighty got a nice appearance.(or recent, if you will) Also, Big was at his best, imo, in Sonic Chronicles.

Fang/Nack wouldn't be very hard to use. He's perfect mid-boss/stage hazard material.

Of all the discontinued characters, Nack/Fang would probably be the easiest to fit back in. Plus, this series could use some fresh, but less apocalyptic antagonists.

Plus, the idea of Eggman having an ace dragon who serves as his mercenary minion during a schemes is a pretty nice idea.

edited 7th Feb '13 7:17:06 PM by KnownUnknown

Sonic could use a few more recurring antagonists. We've really only had Eggman and Metal Sonic who is a creation of Eggman. Bring back Black Doom(yes I know he's dead, I don't care) and Nack so we can have someone new fighting Sonic.

I'd say Nack/Fang and maybe Bark and Bean would work better. I see little reason to bring back Black Doom after Shadow killed him. Last thing we need is another Shadow-Wangstfest, imo.

Plus, near every antagonist who isn't directly Eggman related is also very specifically tied to their own arcs - Chaos, Solaris, Dark Gaia, all of them by their nature had to have their arcs totally concluded by the end of their games, and they're arguably wouldn't even fit outside of their individual stories anyways. At least, not without being needlessly altered.

That's one of the problems with having so many apocalyptic villains who are so larger in effect than the main villain of the series - you can't really use them again. This makes Sonic's rogues gallery a lot smaller than you'd think.

The best recurring villains are the flexible kind - it's why Eggman is still fun in the first place, and is why Fang is such a good character to bring back.

As for Black Doom, I thought he was more of a Shadow antagonist.

edited 7th Feb '13 7:25:07 PM by KnownUnknown

I mentioned him because I wouldn't mind an antagonist that isn't connected to Earth. Eggman is a human, Nack is a Mobian, and Metal is a robot. Those are the three most common groups in Sonic. Aliens have also been featured though and so far he's the only antagonist that represents them. They'd have to tweak him so he's not as one-note and dark as he was in Shadow but I think he could work.

He was but I see nothing wrong with Sonic fighting him if he came back.

Honestly if they were to do this I think they should just ignore Shadow and treat this hypothetical game as his first appearance.

^ Isn't Black Doom kind of the same as the other villains I noted, though? He's got a very specific way of operating and he inherently brings a certain kind of story with him. If you change him from the grandiose doomsday arc he already has, there doesn't seem much point to using him as apposed to just creating a new alien threat.

Plus, there's just way too much stuff tying to him to Shadow. Making him suddenly a separate character would seem... abrupt.

edited 7th Feb '13 7:35:35 PM by KnownUnknown

Really not getting why everyone's so gung-ho about retconning mostly canon events; the closest any of the games came to that was in 06 and Generations, and those can at least be partially explained away by vague time shenanigans.

Not to mention they could always flesh out the Babylon Rogues' stories a bit if they really want more alien-centered plots.

edited 7th Feb '13 7:36:58 PM by Demonfly

Yeah, I'd rather have the Rogues return. They aren't gone, and can do a lot as is. They make good enemies for Team Sonic anyway.

@Kostya: Why not just remake the Metarex instead? I like the idea, but using someone who's dead and would cause issues in storyline anyway(and serious character issues) wouldn't help.

I originally suggested using Black Doom because he was already established but ignoring his only appearance kind of makes that pointless.

I would be fine with the Metarex. They were actually kind of interesting in X.

edit: The Babylon Rogues seem to be like Team Dark now. They're not exactly good friends with Sonic but they're not enemies anymore and are willing to ally with him if it benefits them.

edited 7th Feb '13 7:50:00 PM by Kostya

The Metarex even have similarities to Black Doom, so they might have been inspired by the idea as is.

Also, similar events happen to Shadow with that saga as they do in the actual game.

Of course, I doubt they'll be directly put in, but I thought they were really neat characters as is.

Character Foils. Rivals as is.

...I want Sonic Rivals 3 with some of the Babylon Rogues in it. >_>

edited 7th Feb '13 7:50:45 PM by Irene

The key problem is that the games are kinda black and white in their allignments. Most villains either end up redeemed or are cardboard Complete Monsters who are killed in their first appearance. You can tell they're really struggling to maintain the likes of Team Dark and Babylon as neutrals/anti heroes.

Fang would work as a minor comedic villain if they could avoid this obstacle, hell if they revive Bark and Bean to adapt Team Hooligan it has potential.

I would at least like to see more villains that are more equal or below Eggman's level. He usually takes the role of the secondary "Worfed" villain who can't compete with the demi god in each main story. How about some more mortal villains?

If anyone has see Quark from the Aosth episode "Robotnik's Rival" I think that would be an interesting dynamic, a Not So Different type antagonist who thinks he's far above Eggman's league, but is more a buffoon that screws up as much as he does. Some of the Archie villains are similar, constantly trying to take Eggman's place, but ultimately failing because they are even worse than him.

edited 7th Feb '13 8:17:19 PM by Psi001

IMO, Silver should be an Anti-Hero. Also, give Blaze her own Rogues Gallery.

Babylon Rogues would make good rivals/minibosses. Maybe race them for the emerald levels or something.

^ That sounds awesome. I think races for the Emeralds - especially races where the player has to use unconventional means, since the opponent is faster - are an excellent idea for bonus stages.

They already tried that in Sonic Rush Adventure.

Y'know, I do find the Chaos Emeralds to have a rather interesting in-universe mythos behind them. They've likely been scattered across the world hundreds of times throughout history, and so many beings and civilizations have used them for completely different purposes (Chaos, the link to the Master Emerald, the Temples of Gaia, the Eclipse Cannon, the seal on the treasure of Babylon, etc).

edited 7th Feb '13 10:22:55 PM by Blueeyedrat

They need to bring Nazo and Ashura into the games.

Asura? The one who has wrath?

It's pretty interesting how they done quite a bit of Worldbuilding at first with the Adventure games, but they slowly started to phase it out and just started throwing in unrelated forces from 2006 and onward.

Neither of them are real characters. Ashura is a glitchy green and black palette swap of Sonic from Sonic 2 you get if you mess around in debug mode, and Nazo is based on an image◊ from Sega's Japanese website; he was presumably supposed to be in Sonic X, but he wasn't.

I know. I was making a Stealth Pun joke out of it to show my dismissal of what was said instead of outright saying it.

And now the joke is ruined. Thanks.

edited 8th Feb '13 1:29:11 AM by 0dd1

True. The way I think Fang should be if he is brought back is the unrepentant and unsympathetic two timing Weasel so as to contrast with the more sympathetic, somewhat goofier Eggman. Hypothetically speaking whilst he would be neither on Sonic or Eggman's side, he would still be another evil side.

Do you guys think there should be a major character who is an Anti-Villain to contrast with the Anti Heroes?

Shadow kind of counted at first.