Split some example to an objective trope. Also, some general fixes.: Toy Ship

The guy, July, however, is prepubescent (and it is he who have the crush, in the first place). The exact age is not clear, but I would say it is between 10 and 12. Their age are too close to be a Precocious Crush, so what is this?

edited 29th Mar '11 11:43:30 AM by Heatth

Not a trope. It's not really a stock relationship. It's an odd one that doesn't show up often.

Gonna bump this, because zerky was going through the YMMV tropes of Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret. and Toy Ship was listed. The characters are all in sixth grade (11-12), are starting to go through puberty (heck, it's a book about puberty) and are beginning to have crushes and such on each other. It's completely objective that this is happening, and Toy Ship is the closest thing that would describe this, but is a fanon trope.

Have we made the Puppy Love trope yet? If so, we should YKTTW. I really do think the cut off should be puberty though. Otherwise it's really just pretty normal and it doesn't mean anything.

Maybe First Crush for the first time a character finds love regardless of age to cover the ones that aren't this but are still tropable.

I'll happily run them both through YKTTW if you can help me find the examples Zerky and move the wiks when they're done.

edited 30th Apr '11 10:21:19 AM by shimaspawn

Did someone say "move wicks"? :D

Heck yeah, zerky'll help! First Crush seems a little too specific, since even in real life people often have more than one crush before they hit puberty. Puppy Love seems like the way to go.

Here are some examples, with some of them taken from the Toy Ship page:

Calvin and Susie from Calvin And Hobbes where Calvin does... that thing that young kids do when they like someone and are embarrassed about it and then try to make everyone think that they actually hate the object of their affections. (Is that a trope too? It's like Belligerent Sexual Tension, except it's very specific to young children)

Borderline example in the Goosebumps book, How I Learned to Fly where the middle-schooler, Jack, has a crush on his classmate Mia, and is competing for her attention with his rival Wilson. (Borderline because zerky doesn't believe their ages or the grade they're in are ever stated, but it's possible that they're in the age range of about 12 or so)

In Rugrats this happens to Angelica several times. She has a crush on the 4-year old, Dean, and she spends most of an episode trying to win his affections and eventually succeeding!.

The 4kids dub of the Pokemon anime implies that Misty and Ash actually have crushes on each other.

Inu Yasha: Kagome's brother Souta and his girlfriend Hiromi (might be Anime only).

Daa Daa Daa includes Momo, age 3, who has a crush on Ruu (or Luu), a baby. Ruu's inability to speak in sentences makes it hard to say whether he reciprocates.

Ben and Mallory, who are 11, in The Babysitters Club.

Fudge and Mitzi in Judy Blume's Tales Of A Fourth Grade Nothing

House The episode "Two Stories" subverted its usual formula of opening with a scene of someone doing something and then someone (sometimes the same person, sometimes someone else) falling extremely sick, instead focusing on a pair of kids about to make out behind the school at recess when a teacher catches them...and then when they get taken to the principal's office, Dr. House is there as well and is in trouble for some shenanigans at Career Day. Most of the episode is then told in flashbacks, and upon seeing the class that House was talking to, it becomes quite obvious that this is an elementary school. (It eventually comes to light that these characters-of-the-day are fifth graders, which is actually about the right time for kids to begin putting aside their "girls/boys are yucky" feelings from when they're younger.) The kids then manage to show that they're much more mature than House when it comes to handling relationships.

The Fairly Odd Parents Timmy Turner, despite being ten-years-old (and mentally even lower), repeatedly sought a relationship with the resident Rich Bitch Trixie and was sought after by two other girls, Tootie and Veronica. Trixie and Tootie are the two most likely to get Timmy, and they've both had their moments with him. According to Word of God, both are likely candidates.

Stan and Wendy on South Park, who are in fourth grade and dating.

edited 30th Apr '11 2:28:29 PM by zerky

For First Crush, I'd only accept examples in media that say they're a first crush. Alistair and The Warden in Dragon Age Origins would be an example. He's never been involved with anyone before in any way because he had a very sheltered up bringing.

First Love might be a better name for it though.

Middle School is 11-14 generally and is about the point where people are hitting puberty. So 10 and Under is probably best for a strict numerical cut off. The trope really is supposed to be about very young kids falling in love. That said, you've given me enough to start the YKTTW.

edited 30th Apr '11 2:33:04 PM by shimaspawn

Oh, zerky didn't realise you were proposing two tropes. She mistakenly thought it was a choice between either Puppy Love or First Crush.

Personally zerky finds First Love a better choice than First Crush, because First Crush seems to imply highschool/middleschool-esque hijinks, which might turn away the other valid examples of adults falling in love for the first time (Christian from Moulin Rouge for example).

First Love it is then.

First Love just got launched as a different, though related trope.

How about Young Innocent Love?

Instead of a strict numerical cutoff, what about puberty as a cutoff?

That seems perfect.

Pretty sure it already is.

edited 3rd Jul '11 3:17:23 PM by SpellBlade

Have we launched the objective trope yet?

If it's the exact same thing with the only difference being if it's used in-universe or out, you could just use the Invoked tag.

edit: Is this what you where referring to?

edited 12th Aug '11 10:26:51 AM by SpellBlade

It's not the exact same thing. One of them is an objective trope. The other is natter filled WMG. They really should be kept separately so that people don't natter their preferences all over canon.

Oh, like we did with Ho Yay and Ho Yay Shipping? Sounds good but it never really took off sadly.

edit again: Or we could axe the Audience Reaction part and leave an objective trope like we did with Squee.

edited 12th Aug '11 10:34:00 AM by SpellBlade

I'd be happy axing the audience reaction. It would need a new name but we could do that.

edited 12th Aug '11 10:38:29 AM by shimaspawn

Childhood Romance?

Childhood Romance would work.

I'd support Childhood Romance.

Wasn't it going to be Puppy Love?

Crowner then?

Alt titles for the new trope, you mean? Yeah, I'd say its time.

Titles crowner hooked. Go to town with it, ladies and gentlemen.

edited 12th Aug '11 4:46:07 PM by Madrugada

bump.