Real Life: Even The Girls Want Her

For Even the Girls Want Her and Even the Guys Want Him, aren't the Real Life examples better moved elsewhere? Many of them are individual cases of whom the tropers find hot, with a "who wouldn't?" tacked on. I can see documented cases of extremely well-loved people, like, say, Elvis, being there. But others like anime characters don't belong.

edited 17th Feb '11 10:01:06 AM by helterskelter

I say axe it. We got rid of Fetish Fuel because "tropers talking about their lust is creepy".

Or move to Troper Tales, perhaps?

I'm fine with it being moved to Troper Tales or just being cut entirely.

Nevermind.

edited 17th Feb '11 9:04:30 PM by Willbyr

I'd say cut entirely. There's not really much to it except "I think this female is sexy." Not really troper tales material.

I think that even if it was done wrong before, there's room for a real life section because... well, if I, a male editor, say that a lot of women find Angelina Jolie hot, that is far from me stating my personal attraction.

Basically, if it's subjective, but there are definite trends, it's different. You're not talking about yourself, but about how the world sees something. Take The Scrappy. It could degenerate into "complaining about characters you don't like," but it's a fact that many characters - enough to be tropeworthy - are widely disliked.

So, discussion of the trend toward that character or real person is on-topic. "I think X is hot" "me too" isn't. But there's still room for... well, mentioning that a lot of women find Angelina Jolie hot, to use the original example.

I just see so many sweeping changes made lately, so many interesting entries and even entire pages lost, because a few people don't get the difference between this site and their blog just because some subjective tropes are around.

Sometimes the scalpel is needed. "All right, no discussion of X ever" is the bazooka.

A few people can't stay on topic? Ban the entire topic. A few titles are misleading/obscure? Begin a site-wide "Operation: Make All Titles Wikipedian even if nobody's had a problem with them." And so on. The spirit of the place is dying because the bazooka is easier than the scalpel even if it's the wrong tool. It's sad.

If all you need is for some girls to want her, then everyone everywhere is an example because there will always be girls who are attracted to Person X. If you, a male troper, say that you've met a lot of women who find Angelina Jolie hot, you're expressing your personal experiences with the trope. You're not describing an objective example that appears in media. It's Troper Tales.

I just say, cut the real life stuff.

edited 7th Mar '11 12:52:00 AM by Nyarly

"Girls liking girls" is People Sit On Chairs AFAIC. "Girl characters who are depicted desireable enough for even fellow, otherwise hetero girl characters to find them desireable" again would be a trope. IRL people can be depicted in this manner, which would be the trope, but the examples won't probably be in the IRL folder but under Ads, Films, Live Cation TV, Music Videos etc. Should there be a celebrity who chooses to support a public image of herself as this, and not just via their works, THAT can be an IRL example.

But please cut all the personal preference stuff.

edited 7th Mar '11 2:27:12 AM by peccantis

I support cutting the IRL section. Also, a some of the other examples need to be cleaned up because a few people stick their personal examples into the other media folders. I notice this kind of misuse of this trope and its distaff counterpart throughout the site, and I thinks it's partly because of the name. I think the name should be more indicative that it is an in-universe reaction.

Delete Real Life.

Also, no Troper Tales for this page. They should go on Stupid Sexy Flanders.

Being a little too strict aren't you guys? First fetish fuel got cut now you are cutting the real life examples of Even The Girls Want Her trope. Might aswell cut Most Common Superpower and Boobs of Steel tropes while you are at it.

So much for TV Tropes being fun. Dont see a reason for the cut unless it was being legitimately offensive

Are you going to complain about the Even the Guys Want Him Real Life section going too? A list of actors/actresses people find hot isn't interesting to anyone but them and others who have the same crush. And Fetish Fuel Wiki is right over here.

Which, of course, just bloats and bloats until it becomes a list of every single celebrity, advertising model, and regional newscaster in the world. A little exaggerated, but not by much; you can see it happening.

I'm going to be nice and assume that you haven't read the reasons why there's the Fetish Fuel Wiki. In a nutshell it was decided that Tv Tropes is not the place to put what turns people on. If the FF Wiki bloats that's a good thing. That means people aren't putting that stuff on the main Wiki.

For the main topic: I say Cut it

What...? Ah, I see where you mistook my meaning. I was referring to the Real Life sections here, not the Fetish Fuel wiki, which I've never visited.

Sorry about that then. I thought you were responding to emeriin's post.

Chainsaw Good is the trick for this page... Cut away.

Troper Tales should be fine for this. Darn it I am tired of the funsucking that has been going on on TV Tropes lately.

We aren't interested in what girls the nominally heterosexual female subset of tropers find hot. Not what we are here to catalog. Want to discuss that? Make a thread in the appropriate subforum.

Besides which, as pointed out in other places, allowing this kind of thing on trope pages ends up bloating that section into every single person who could possibly be an example to anyone who happens to pass by the page. The only way to prevent that is to segregate. Sad but true.

I have the IRL section on file, there are some bad examples but on the whole its a good section and worth keeping. I'll cut the bad ones ( 'Celebrity X is hot' etc) out before reposting.

^ As was said above, though, TV Tropes isn't here to catalog what people in Real Life like or don't like. Given there's 6+ billion people on the planet (even filtering for just the online percentage, you still get many millions of potential sources), listing everyone that someone of the same gender would find attractive even if they're heterosexual leads to making the page stupidly long.

TV Tropes catalogs fictional examples for tropes. Real Life isn't fictional*

(Mind you, I have RealLife.Cool Plane, which was split off of Cool Plane because it was getting to be so huge, on my list of pages to curate.)

Real Life examples, beyond being absurdly subjective (I'm a guy, and can't even understand why straight men would be interested in Angelina Jolie, let alone women of any orientation), would essentially be the kind of thing that the Fetish Fuel wiki was made for.

I say axe the examples from both of these with extreme prejudice. If people really want to gush about how they'd change teams for certain celebrities, establish an appropriate place on the Fetish Fuel Wiki for that.