Rename: Eccentric Mentor

Now that you mention it. This trope is very similar to Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass and Obfuscating Stupidity

FWIW, we have Badass Grandpa and Cool Old Guy. Now, Badass Grandpa + Crouching Moron Hidden Badass + The Mentor is still tropable, mind.

edited 18th Feb '11 7:58:10 AM by Elle

Fair enough.

bump. Who votes for a rename?. I am looking for concensus on this issue.

• Renaming rules
• A rename may be needed if:
  • The title is incoherent.(check)
  • The title requires knowledge of a specific series in order to be understood.(check)
  • The title is named after a specific character.(check)
  • The title is the same as that of an existing work of fiction. In this instance, unless the trope title is a pre-existing term, it will almost certainly be changed.

edited 25th Feb '11 4:01:17 PM by FallenLegend

Its got my vote... do we want to get a single prop crowner going?

other tropers have proposed cool names. Maybe we could add them in a crowner.

I ment single prop on if to rename since there is seemingly some who want to keep the name despite the evidence.

Don' worry. We can add the option "keep name" in the crowner.

That's not how it works. First you poll on the yes/no question about changing the name, then you poll for new names, assuming there's consensus for a rename. Otherwise you're splitting the "rename" vote into pieces while denying people who don't want a rename at all a chance to vote on the new name without voting against themselves in the process.

edited 25th Feb '11 4:20:56 PM by Shale

I could swear I saw something like that before.But if that's how things work around here. Thats ok with me.

I already requested a Crowner. Btw

edited 25th Feb '11 4:46:19 PM by FallenLegend

Bumped for Crowner.

If a name is not working, it may be suffering from one or more of the following problems. These are guesses about why the name is not working, not rules that have to be followed:

Fallen Angel, until you prove that the name is not working, please do not add "reasons to rename" that are only appropriate after that.

They are already proven. If you are right you will win.

But don't remove the removal reasons. You are making the voting biased.

The claim that this trope isnot being "misused" is an argument that is still debatable.And yet I didn't removed it.Because I want voting to be impartial.

edited 26th Feb '11 2:43:22 PM by FallenLegend

Give a link to that proof that that the trope is broken.

With pleasure:

My Foundation is on this rules https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=365rl6gt9w6vijv1envyi76j&page=1

My motivation (argumentation) is this:

Reasons for renaming

• The title is incoherent.
  • Yes the name doesn't have a relation with the trope description
• The title requires knowledge of a specific series in order to be understood.
  • Yes Harry Potter
• The title is named after a specific character.
  • Albus Dumbledore from Harry Potter.

My foundation is on the Trope Renaming Guidelines, that are the foundation of the one you linked to, that is a compressed version.

There, your "reasons" are only listed as reasons that you can invoke if the title is not working.

"Not working", as in provably underused or misunderstood. These are guesses about why the name is not working, not rules.

If the title would be actually incoherent, you could prove that by showing problems with how the title is used on the wiki. Until then, it is just your opinion about it.

Don't convince me.Convince the people. There is already a crowner. People are going to decide. I am not really debating. I am just presenting facts.

Click here Lots of tropes got renamed for this very reason.. Most Triumphant Example is Spikeification. Now knwon as Badass Decay

But in my opnion having a trope named after a character is a Big reason for a rename. It's better to reename now before it's too late. Like Xanatos Gambit or The Mario.

P.D Please stop editing out renaming reasons. You are making the voting biased. If you disagree with my points prove me wrong. But don't start an edit war.

Until you prove I am wrong in the discussion.Don't remove them.

edited 26th Feb '11 3:13:10 PM by FallenLegend

Can we please stop the edit war the crowner? And let's get some objective reasons on both sides? Also there is evidence of wicks just potholeing the trope namer for the sake of potholeing it even if it has 0 to do with the trope itself... (see the first page)

I didn't try to blank the crowner, just remove the subjective, unproven pieces like "the title is incoherent", or things like "it's named after a character", that the guidelines very clearly specify as NOT causes for a rename on their own.

That the example check found cases of gratuitous potholing, that's true, but that's just one. That one can stay for all I care.

edited 26th Feb '11 3:37:03 PM by EternalSeptember

^ They are in the guidelines read the rules again. It is the post made by the mods in the forum rules

Ok I will goive you the benefit of doubt and remove the "inchoherent" argument.

But I don't see how the others are "subjetive". This trope 'is named after a character and you know it. Albus dumbledore the Trope Namer. Its even in the description. that is not subjetive. Please stop removing it.

Those other arguments I made are valid resons for a rename please read the rules.

• click here
• and here

One more time and I am telling the mods. I warn you.

edited 26th Feb '11 4:00:16 PM by FallenLegend

All right. You know what? You only make a fool out of yourself if you list things that are well known by everyone not to be proper renaming reasons according to the guidelines, without misuse.

That's like if you would add that "it's not in the dictionary as a word". That might be objectively true, but it's still not a proof that the title is misunderstood, just a reason why it could be misunderstood, (even if it isn't).

edited 26th Feb '11 4:27:33 PM by EternalSeptember

Don't go around telling the newbies "everyone thinks without misuse all reasons to rename are worthless and you're making a fool out of yourself listing them". It's been hard to pin down what consensus is on that matter, but I feel on pretty steady ground saying that "misuse or GTFO" is not it.

Last time we had a big discussion about the TRS guidelines the sentiment in their defense seemed to be "they're descriptive and not prescriptive", and "the beauty of our current system is that we can ultimately sort things out", and "well they're just guidelines" and "get off their case, in practice stuff does get renamed even though it doesn't live up to the guideline requirements". Not a single person, including you, claimed we should follow them to the letter and never ever listen to anyone offering any reason to rename anything that isn't broken in five different ways.

I thought we reached an agreement on this. Misuse is important, inbounds are important, our general policy is to not fix what's not broken, and you're free to point this out. But we really should not be shouting people down. If Mr. Goku's argument is weak enough, how about we trust everyone here to trope responsibly and vote it down.

Umm.. Yeah. That's what I just said too.

I feel compeleed to edit the crowner to remove the 2 out of 22 part, since I really don't think two out of twenty-two countable misuses towards the character instead of the trope, where the trope is still being used correctly when still referenced to the character, are a meaningful display of misuse. But I don't want to contribute to an edit war.

I concur. Never checked the sample size to begin with, that was just there already.