Essential Anime: Proposed Additions

People could try arguing in favor of adding entries based solely on impact on the audience, but I suspect that the subjectivity would make things messy. With those having successors, at least we're certain that there has been an effect on the side of the industry itself.

But, as you mentioned, I'm not sure either if the same criteria should apply for deconstructions.

To the song born in this moment, your presence is very precious.

Huh? There is!

Wait a minute there's also two Codifiers for Mindscrew!

I can understand multiple deconstructions*

but how can two different shows be the codifier for the same subject?

#IceBearForPresident

Utena and Madoka deconstructed from completely different directions.

Also, Utena is Shoujo and Madoka Shonen/Seinen, which radically alters how they approach things to begin with. Both are worth listing.

So, had Death Note and Code Geass influence anime or manga that much?

Which is why I said it should be listed as deconstructing Magical Girl Warrior which is the more guys crowd than the girls which Utena did.

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Can you really consider Utena a Magical Girl show? I mean freakin' Saber from Fate Stay Night is more of a Magical Girl than her.

If people learned from their mistakes, there wouldn't be this thing called bad habits.

Actually yeah, pretty much. Utena doesn't use magic or have any magical girl superpowers. She's just a normal athletic girl that's skilled at fencing.

Ignoring Miyuki-chan in Wonderland which doesn't really count, it was the first yuri anime so we could could probably make it the Trope Maker for the yuri genre.

and that's how Equestria was made!

Well its listed everywhere on the site as a deconstruction of one.

And this is listed on the page itself.

• Magical Girl: Hugely defied. The defining trait of all Super Sentai Magical Girl series is that altruism and unconditional love will always save the world, but the biggest prince in the story ends up as the series' Big Bad, and all of Utena's strength and purity can't even save one Damsel in Distress if said Damsel in Distress won't break away from centuries of habits to save herself. Also, Utena is more of a Magical Warrior than a conventional Magical Girl.

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No matter what the genre is, you would need a certain amount of the genre conventions to fit into genre. Revolutionary Girl Utena, I only see as having one, Transformation Sequence and only barely at that. After all, she only slightly alters her outfit and it doesn't give her any new powers.

Barely qualifying for only one of the genre's convention does not make you belong to a genre.

and that's how Equestria was made!

That example should be removed. It makes no frickin sense. Defied Trope is when a character intentionally tries to stop a trope from occurring. Defied Magical Girl is like a girl reusing to gain magic super powers or something, thereby (attempting at) stopping the Magical Girl trope from occurring.

Plus, what does it mean by "Super Sentai magical girl"? The closest thing to "Super Sentai magical girl" would be some of the Precure series, and those came after Utena.

edited 24th Apr '11 2:44:29 AM by ThatHuman

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I'm ambivalent regarding Utena, but regarding Madoka, it could be put up as a Reconstruction for the same reasons that Raso used to support Utena as a Deconstruction. It would probably be a good idea to wait a year, though, to assess its impact on the Anime industry.

edited 24th Apr '11 3:16:39 PM by NG14916

Shouldn't this be moved to Wiki Talk? The Media threads get deleted after a while, and it's best to preserve threads in which decisions are made for wiki pages.

edited 30th Apr '11 8:17:00 AM by EaterOfPizza

I didn't read the thread thoroughly, but do Azumanga Daioh and ARIA count as EA for Slice of Life genre?

Edit: Oh wait, there are. Never mind.

edited 19th May '11 5:09:02 PM by dRoy

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.

Not quite sure if this counts, but Madoka Magica may have influenced the creators of Dog Days, which features a character similar in motives and methods to Homura.

No. Homura's character type is definitely not something started or even popularized by Madoka.

The characters from Madoka aren't really that original. Pretty much everything else is though.

Two proposals: For the Mecha Genre, what about Getter Robo? Wasn't it pretty much the Trope Codifier for Combining Mecha? (You've got Real Robots, Super Robots, and Transforming Mecha, but I noticed a lack of Combining Mecha). Either it or Voltron, I don't know which came out first...

Secondly, what about adding Card Captor Sakura to the Magical Girl section? Reason being that it, along with Sailor Moon, is to my knowledge one of - if not THE - most influential anime series where the Magical Girl protagonist actually has to do something productive with her magic powers; that is to say, saving the world, with slight Mon elements.

seconding Card Captor Sakura due to its outstanding popularity and influence

same opinion on madoka

edited 17th Jul '11 7:54:43 AM by CommanderObvious

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Thirding.

Also, about Madoka, I have a feeling that its influence will die out pretty soon. It's way too young to have a place among those examples.

edited 17th Jul '11 7:54:07 AM by dRoy

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.

Agreed regarding CCS.

i realize Cyberpunk doesn't have Serial Experiments Lain
but it has it in Mind Screw
what
proposing AKIRA (even though its a film), Serial Experiments Lain as Trope Codifier to be put in Cyberpunk

edited 17th Jul '11 8:03:16 AM by CommanderObvious

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Death Note should be on there: it launched a lot of Guile Hero melodramatic anime, like Code Geass.

edited 1st Oct '11 9:57:53 AM by Cosman246

If you eat a live frog in the morning, nothing worse will happen to either of you for the rest of the day.

I'd say that Haruhi unbuilds the "Moe style" (or moeblob as it's referred to)—it uses Mikuru as an example of the...tests...a moeblob undergoes, but until Haruhi, moe was a fan reaction, not a codified set of tropes one could invoke. After Haruhi, we have stuff such as Lucky Star

If you eat a live frog in the morning, nothing worse will happen to either of you for the rest of the day.

lucky star is clearly not meant to be an Essential Anime
and haruhi as moe is a Square Peg Round Trope
if you want real moe codifiers
K-On! and Hidamari Sketch are clearly the way to go

edited 17th Jul '11 8:49:44 AM by CommanderObvious

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Subculture Sliceof Life Trope Codifier: Welcome to the NHK aired July to December 2006, and took a look at some of the subcultures of Japan.

Err... No. Genshiken is the Trope Codifier for subculture Slice of Life anime. Genshiken aired in October 2004, and therefore beat NHK to the punch by almost 2 years.

For the record, the NHK novel was released in Janurary 2002, with the manga debuting in June 2004, while the Genshiken manga started publishing in July 2002, so there's only a 6 month difference between source material, with Genshiken being the first Otaku subculture manga as well.

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