Statler And Waldorf stingers: Part 2

we're busy removing everything that made this site popular to start with. It was the off-beat humour in the pages, the odd and non-descriptive trope names, that drew people here, that generated interest. We are Wikipedia and we are no longer informal. Tvtropes is just another beige site in the sea of beige blandness.

I think you're on the wrong website, you want this site.

Fight smart, not fair.

You have no idea how impossible it is for me to take you seriously right now.

In the future, when you link texts like these, please include a NSFGN warning.

edited 8th Jan '11 10:33:46 AM by TripleElation

Pretentious quote || In-joke from fandom you've never heard of || Shameless self-promotion || Something weird you'll habituate to

It's perfectly possible to be informal and funny without being Chaotic Stupid.

edited 9th Jan '11 7:09:57 AM by DrStarky

Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian

Can we stop quibbling over generalities and get back to the specific subject at hand? This argument is getting extreme-ish (on both sides).

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)

We don't seem to be able to get a consensus on this without a crowner.

So, anyone opposed to putting this to a crowner? Say the options are culling the "unfunny" ones, culling the ones that aren't relevant to the trope, and culling all of them.

Maybe add moving them to the index, but I'm really not a fan of that one. It just makes the index look ugly.

edited 8th Jan '11 6:17:56 PM by BlackHumor

I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1

Is Fast Eddie's judgment not enough to settle this? Let this die already...

The first two options aren't feasible at all, because who gets to decide which are unfunny or irrelevant? As has already been said, trying to take separate votes for each stinger is insane, and multiple stingers could be proposed for a single page. Why should one random user's made up stinger take precedence over all others just because they got to the page first? I'd be happy enough to get rid of them entirely, but I can settle for quarantining them in Statler And Waldorf.

edited 8th Jan '11 6:39:02 PM by Citizen

That's not what anyone on this page suggested. The crowner options Black Humor suggested would cover changes that could affect the page as a whole and its stingers in broad strokes, and I think he suggested a fair method of coming to a solution.

I wasn't aware that there even was a precedence over keeping anything on any pages just because it got there first. If someone adds a page quote, image, picture caption, or stinger to a page, anyone who comes along who has anything that might make for a better page quote, image, picture caption, or stinger is free to make a swap at any time; if such a change becomes a conflict between editors, we can take it to the forums and have tropers as a community decide what is best for the page, instead. Simple.

edited 8th Jan '11 7:04:52 PM by SeanMurrayI

^No, I actually did suggest a crowner that listed each stinger so we could gauge which ones people liked and didn't.

Infinite Tree: an experimental story

^I said "not what anyone on this page suggested." It's certainly not anything suggested in the post that Citizen is responding to.

edited 8th Jan '11 7:07:39 PM by SeanMurrayI

Oh. Okay, then.

Infinite Tree: an experimental story

"^I said "not what anyone on this page suggested." " oh really? I seem to remember suggesting that exact thing!

edited 8th Jan '11 7:19:14 PM by dontcallmewave

He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also

^Not on this page of the thread, though.

edited 8th Jan '11 7:19:37 PM by INUH

Infinite Tree: an experimental story

Is Fast Eddie's judgment not enough to settle this? Let this die already..

Fast Eddie never said "I'm the admin, so we're doing it my way". He gave his opinion on the topic. We don't have to listen to him unless he forces us to, and Fast Eddie is generally nice enough not to force us to if it's not critical to the wiki.

To the rest of your post, what kind of weird strawman is that? The guy who suggested the crowner for every one individually was not only not me, he was on the other side of the argument. I figure at most we can just send people in this topic out to Wiki Magic the change using their own judgment.

EDIT: So, I'll repeat the question: crowner, yes or no?

If nobody answers me this time I'll just go ahead anyway.

edited 8th Jan '11 7:24:26 PM by BlackHumor

I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1

^Like I already said, your proposed crowner idea sounds perfectly fair.

I'm pretty sure Eddie didn't give his opinion with the expectation that we'd ignore it. Why are we still debating this? Can't we just delete them?

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

No, I saw that, but you and Cliche were the only ones that said anything; then we kinda got back off topic.

EDIT: ALSO, if anyone but Fast Eddie tries to pull another argument from Fast Eddie, I'm making the crowner anyway.

edited 8th Jan '11 7:35:05 PM by BlackHumor

I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1

You were going to make the crowner anyway, weren't you? I don't see why you're threatening us with doing it because we're listening to the admin.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

Ok fine, I suppose it is pointless to take a vote on whether to take a vote.

One second.

EDIT: Here we go.

edited 8th Jan '11 7:41:17 PM by BlackHumor

I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1

Ignore me, complaining again about how no one is listening to Fast Eddie.

edited 8th Jan '11 7:43:48 PM by KrisMahai

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

This post was thumped by the Shillelagh of Whackingness

Infinite Tree: an experimental story

^^Not entirely true. Although, crowners are typically decided by some kind of majority. It's inherent to their design.

Edit: Very well, but an Appeal to Authority doesn't mean all that much in a community that decides matters as a democracy.

edited 8th Jan '11 7:46:57 PM by SeanMurrayI

No, no, no, you aren't paying attention. Let me repeat: the "Remove only the unfunny ones" and "Remove only the ones that aren't relevant to the page they're on" options do not work, because how are you going to determine which ones qualify? The "crowner for each stinger" is essentially what you would have to do—that's why I brought it up. And you'd have to make a new call every time someone came up with their own new stinger for a page.

Umm, hello? This isn't a democracy. Fast Eddie is the admin. That really is kind of important.

Yeah... I'm still arguing back, but I already consider the matter settled and the crowner meaningless.

edited 8th Jan '11 8:47:10 PM by Citizen

^ Yeah, I consider the crowner a bit meaningless too. Still, it depends on what the results of the crowner are.

Also, a question about the Move them all to the Statler And Waldorf index option on the crowner? Would they be deleted from the ends of page if this option wins, or would they be left on pages and a copy of each on the index?

edited 8th Jan '11 9:13:58 PM by KrisMahai

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”