Game of Thrones [Potential Book Spoilers]

From what I remember of reading it's based mainly around the fact that in the books she's putting on weight and the scene where she cracked an egg and found a dead half formed chick inside. Another take on it is that she'll die giving birth to a dwarf.

For what it's worth, I have seen the pregnancy theory here and there on Reddit of Ice and Fire as well as the suggestion that the child was not Jaime's.

I think the idea is that Cersei's weight gain is due to the pregnancy. Maybe also coupled with the irony that if one of the Kettleblacks was the father, Cersei's baby would have dark hair, thereby reversing the earlier Chocolate Baby thing in which Robert's supposed children all had blond hair. So like this time, Jaime wouldn't believe that was his child.

On the other hand though, I'm not really convinced by the theory, because I think some fans as well as Cersei the character exaggerate her weight gain. And I don't recall anything that comes across as "tropeworthy" signs of pregnancy. Like AFAIK, there's no implications of morning sickness.

Edit- Semi-

edited 24th Jan '17 3:41:24 PM by Hodor2

New leaks from lads just came out btw:

The Sand Snakes are on Yara's ship. Euron's ship Silence sails alongside and his tongueless sailors board, as does he during a naval battle. Nymeria and Obara attack him and he personally kills them both using their own weapons - impales one and strangled the other with her whip. Cersei kills Tyene in front of Ellaria with a poison kiss the same way Ellaria killed Myrcella.

Euron's and Jaime have one of the funniest exchanges in the script. He tells Jaime that he plans to wed his sister, then quietly asks him exactly how enjoys being fucked. Even asks if she likes a cheeky finger up the arse. Euron's is kind of a riot this season, and he goes out of his way to be obnoxious when he gets the chance. Jaime is obviously livid at this, but can't do anything about it at that moment.

- Jon gives Tormund command of Eastwatch by the Sea. Tormund has captured the Brotherhood without Banners and the Hound who have arrived to fight whitewalkers. They tell Jon they want to fight whitewalkers because the Lord of Light has foreseen it or something, so Jon brings them along.

- Cersei reveals to Jaime that she's hired the 20k sellswords from the Golden Company to fight Jon and Dany once they're done fighting the whitewalkers

- Jorah is very grumpy about Jonerys at first because they're flirting and shit; Tyrion notices Jonerys too

- Jon and Jorah end up bonding and Jon cures Jorah of his daddy issues. He tells Jorah he's glad Ned didn't capture and kill him and Jorah is happy too.

- Jon and Gendry bond as well because they're bastards and their dads were BF Fs. For some reason, Gendry doesn't mention Arya (OP: smh).

- It is implied that Ellaria is left to starve in the dungeons, Sand Snakes dead, Water Gardens stupid.

- Jon vocally pledges to Dany in the dragonpit and that pisses off Cersei. Dany brings her remaining two dragons to the Dragonpit to intimidate Queen Cersei. But Dany fails to hide from Cersei that one of her dragons got killed and this makes Cersei confident that she can defeat Dany because the dragons aren't invincible.

- Jon initiates boat sex. There's no dialogue from Jon and Dany during this scene and the leaker says it's something that happens naturally and inevitably. There is a montage where Jon and Dany have sex and we hear Sam and Bran discussing Jon's background and we find out Jon's Targaryen name as Jon and Dany are boning. (OP: I hope we find out his name while they climax, for maximum meme value and cheese. Thank you Bran!)

- Grey Worm doesn't die

Yara doesn't die

About the only parts of that I can buy is Euron and the denouement with the Sand Snakes...the problem is that you have to account for The Tyson Zone with the Show!Snakes because it's generally so badly written that any outlandish fan theory about them is believable.

I must admit that poorquentyn is vindicated because he always did say that he saw a Cersei/Victarion pairing as a B-Movie Macbeth and this is more or less trashy B-Movie Jacobean revenge.

Good to know that Bittersteel's boys are the true Big Bad of Season 8 and not the White Walkers. There I was thinking that all the buildup to the epic conclusion to save Westeros sustained over all seasons will finally overseat the political stuff but nope, some group barely foreshadowed with an army size greater than their numbers in the books by several degrees, is the true threat to beat.

Yikes.

Edit- Never mind.

But I will say that the spoilers posted (thanks, Mad Skillz) in no way imply that the Golden Company are the actual Big Bad. It seems particularly odd to predict that and hate on the show for a plot which hasn't happened yet because the show has for several seasons kept the White Walker threat as a big thing.

edited 24th Jan '17 3:59:46 PM by Hodor2

Some things never change.

Also, super enjoyable to discuss the show between huge walls of whited out leaks and the resulting hate-talk. This thread is bound to once again be the most welcoming there is in the entire forum in 2017.

It'll be in the books.

Daenerys goes North beats the WW with Jon's help and then Aegon attacks them from behind and kills them all.

Aegon sits the Iron Throne in the end.

The heroes save humanity but none of them sit the Iron Throne in the end and die.

Huh. I kind of like that idea. It's not really where I see Jon or Dany's stories ending (although I don't see either of them surviving the series), but I've never been a big fan of how obviously doomed Aegon is. And also, I like the idea of a ruler lasting long-term (and being a good ruler) who doesn't actually have their purported ancestry/a legitimate claim to the throne.

Edit- If the Golden Company actually does show up on the show (it's kind of weird because on one hand they should appear, since they've been mentioned before but on the other hand, it's kind of weird to show up so late in the game), I'd imagine that it would probably be in the context of ending up helping the fight against the White Walkers and/or some other human threat.

edited 24th Jan '17 4:07:14 PM by Hodor2

I was exaggerating obviously but if you set up at the end of Season 7 that after Dany and Jon deal with the White Walkers, a new army will potentially come and wipe them out, then obviously viewers will speculate about how the heroes could save the world and get crushed and so on.

That would take too little to develop characters we haven't seen whose transition to Big Damn Heroes we can't bothered to care about or relate too.

The main thing about these spoilers is this is absolutely not something anyone reasonably wants to see. It makes Jon, Dany and others look like raging incompetents and needless to say it makes their demonization of Stannis even more absurd. He accepted the White Walker threat without any need of seeing a captive wight with his own eyes so why can't Dany and others accept it. And it makes no sense that Jon and Dany have sex after the devastating setback of losing one of the dragons and the way that the sex scene is dramatized that at the same time, Sam finds proof of Jon's parentage...it will play like Black Comedy and a terrible joke.

Two other things that makes no sense,

1. Why the hell does Sam Tarly have to find proof that Rhaegar is Jon's dad when we saw the flashback at the end of Season 6 that confirmed it.

2. What is Euron Greyjoy's role in the show going to be that justifies his late inclusion?

Thanks as always.

1. My impression from the spoiler is that it has to do with Sam finding some proof that would convince other people in a way that Bran's tree-vision would not.

2. Well I think in both he's obviously a fairly important antagonist. And it seems clear from characterization that the show liked the idea of having Victarion's character as a comically-evil brute and combining him with Euron's role.

Here's more leaks from the same person. They're not big spoilers:

1. Sansa: After Arya kills Littlefinger, Sansa and Arya reminisce about missing Ned and Catelyn.

2. Greyjoys: Yara doesn't die, although some bad stuff happens to her after she's captured (not specified what). Theon's fight on the beach in 7x07 is Theon trying to persuade the other Ironborn to help him rescue Yara.

3. Hot Pie: Arya meets Hot Pie again in 7x02. He tells her that he heard that Cersei blew up the Sept of Baelor.

4. Melisandre: Melisandre tells Varys she intends to leave Westeros for a while. Varys tells her that she might not be safe if she ever returns.

5. Davos: Davos and Jon have a conversation with Missandei during Dany and Tyrion's absence from Dragonstone. Davos gets Gendry to accompany him and Tyrion to Dragonstone because he wants to give Gendry a purpose.

6. Wight hunt: The wight hunt is practically the entirety of 7x06. One of the wight hunt members is a wildling tracker redshirt who gets killed by the polar bear. The polar bear attack precedes the wight army attack; Thoros is wounded and dies overnight. After the bear attack, Jon sends Gendry back to Eastwatch to send a raven to Dany to inform her as to what's happened. When Dany gets the raven, she decides to go North out of concern for Jon (and Jorah). Tyrion thinks this is a bad idea, but she doesn't listen.

7. Brienne: Jaime and Brienne have a scene where she attempts to persuade him to bring his army north to help fight the W Ws (apparently persuaded by the wight demo and really worried). Sandor and Brienne have a brief exchange at the Dragonpit about Arya: Sandor says something about why isn't Brienne protecting Arya, and Brienne says something to the effect that the only person who needs to be protected is anyone who tries to get in Arya's way, which gets a smile from Sandor.

8. Casterly Rock: Tyrion plans an attack on Casterly Rock and Grey Worm carries it out. Casterly Rock is taken quite easily because the Lannisters have already abandoned it. Jaime and Cersei plan to cut the occupied Casterly Rock off at the sea (with Euron's fleet) and by land (with Lannister forces), concentrate on the sack of Highgarden, and then retake Casterly Rock later. This plan must work, because the Unsullied eventually abandon Casterly Rock.

9. Iron Bank: Cersei successfully pays off the Iron Bank and gets them to agree to extend her credit. She uses the new funds to purchase mercenaries, and Euron at the end of Season 7 is heading off to use the Iron Fleet to transport the Gold Company to Westeros.

10. Jaime: Jaime walks out on Cersei in 7x07. Cersei threatens to have the Mountain kill him, but Jaime calls her bluff, and the Mountain stands aside and lets him leave.

11. Jon and Sansa: Jon and Sansa will have a few scenes together discussing how the North should be ruled at the start of the season. Sansa's more of a hardliner than Jon: Jon refuses to punish the Karstark and Umber heirs, while Sansa wants harsh treatment. Jon is told that his stance re: the heirs is not the Northern way, and he says he doesn't care, it's his way.

12. Bran and Rhaegar: Bran has a series of visions towards the end of 7x07, while Sam is in the room with him at Winterfell. These include a flashback to the same TOJ scene (except with Lyanna's words clearly enunciated this time), as well as a sequence showing Rhaegar and Lyanna reciting their wedding vows before a septon (think Robb and Talisa's wedding with a bit of dialogue thrown in). Rhaegar and Lyanna are clearly very much in love. No explanation is given in Season 7 as to how Rhaegar was able to obtain an annulment.

@Julian Euron, from what I'm seeing, is written like Cersei's funny and crazy badass Dragon. Think Ramsay 2.0.

Where are you getting this? I was looking through the Free Folk for the new stuff but didn't see it.

They're spread all around.

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/104790352.html

Man that is a waste of a Melisandre appearance. I mean what the hell...I would prefer she not appear again in the show then for this pointless scene.

But I think these leaks are if not genuine growing sharper and more in keeping with the show's style. Wildly uneven and asymmetric in quality, nonsensical in parts and fitting in others. It's filled with the characteristic sexism and gender discrimination of the show. So that part fits.

Fits with my theory that Melisandre's story is supposed to end when she and Stannis sacrifice Shireen and it fails to give them the outcome they expected leading to Stannis executing her.

No Stannis around means that she can't have her book character's ending so they made her go away instead.

They're probably thinking of bringing her back for season 8 though but aren't sure yet so they kept her for a scene or two in season 7.

Here's a link to see more detailed parts of Arya's plot in the Riverlands, KL' and the Dragonpit parley scene:

https://www.thedradonandthewolf.com/single-post/2017/01/27/Game-Of-Thrones-Season-7-Spoilers-Part-3-Riverlands-Kings-Landing-Dragon-Pit

A propos of nothing, I love the new avatar Mad Skillz...the red star is obviously Revolutionary, and it looks like a house banner for ASOIAF/GOT.

Got any House Words...

Or are you House Mormont's Cadet Branch that settled in the Soviet Union?

@Julian My avatar is actually California's original bear flag.◊ It was called the Storm Bear Flag.

We used a black bear instead of a grizzly bear at first. No one really knows what the red star stood for but people believe it's supposed to echo Texas' white star since we were the second state to rebel against Mexico but officially it stands for freedom. The white background stands for purity and peace, the bear means persistence and strength and the red stripe stands for courage and sacrifice.

It's supposed to mean that I stand with my state against the Free American Empire Trump's America.

I noticed the similarity to the Mormont banners too though which is chose it over the others. Also the original Storm Bear Flag looks cooler than the modern California Bear Flag. Both flags do keep the red star though. It's just bigger in the original.

I guess we'd be like House Mormont's cadet branch that came from the Soviet Union to settle California. Too cold up north so we came south for that Mediterranean climate.

edited 29th Jan '17 12:03:13 AM by MadSkillz

Spoilery concept art of season 7.◊

A certain scene is definitely happening.

edited 3rd Feb '17 10:08:45 PM by MadSkillz

Uhhhhh

Is there a problem with Jaqen being Not So Above It All?

I mean the problem is it goes against the entire point of what we've seen for 2 years of her plot and makes the whole order seem useless if there's no consequences for leaving/disobeying them.

It just makes the internal logic seem fuzzy and rules should be made of iron and not pudding.

Alys Karstark has been cast.

Book!Alys was supposed to look like Arya and have black/brown hair while Show!Alys looks more like Sansa.

The question is will Jon Snow marry her off to a wildling in the show, or is it just an Easter Egg...

I am amazed that the show keep insists on having some connection to subplots and stuff in the books even when they are drastically changing every aspect of it and it's just In Name Only.

Maybe Tormund