Game of Thrones [Potential Book Spoilers]

yeah Jul's post made me remember how well Carice acted this season. Much better performance than Emilia or Lena.

Show Sansa is also (somewhat) jealous about Jon being King of the North.

I keep putting off reviewing that sequence.

Did you get that from watching that scene, though? She looks delighted, to me. "Yay, my brother is getting recognition! We're friends now, so I don't have a flicker of hesitation in backing him to be Lord of Winterfell."

Even Jon looks only slightly embarrassed about it.

Lena Headey: "Everyone is going to be aghast and thrilled and annoyed they’re on Cersei’s side for a minute."

Presumably the "minute" she's referring to is the brief period when we think the sept might be evacuated on time, because otherwise I'm worried the role is going to her head.

edited 16th Jul '16 4:42:34 PM by johnnye

I heard other's reactions that align with Lena's quote.

Cersei's been treated pretty poorly by the Faith the last 2 seasons. So there's a bit of revenge fantasy. It also doesn't help those scenes were directed/executed very well.

Hang on a sec. Gonna (slowly) find reddit thread so I can copy-paste the interview snippets which says otherwise.

May be a while (or not at all) since most of me just want to ignore and be like an ostrich and bury my head in the ground. (Do real life ostriches actually do that?)

@john Yeah it's been confirmed by D & D, Sansa's actress, Jon's actor and Davos' actor that Sansa is jealous of Jok and agitated.

(grimace) I finally got myself to review (fairly...) the King in the North scene, and yeah... apparently during my previous viewings, I was distracted by all the thekinginthenorth-s to notice that there is something off with Sansa's reactions.

Now, it's especially noticeable, even during Mormont's speech where it does look like that Sansa presumed Lyanna was talking about her at first. (It also doesn't help at all that the kinginthenorth scene ends with LF and Sansa sharing a look.)

There goes my small hopes that D & D and the actors are doing a Red Herring, similar to what was done with Jon Snow's death. There's even a recap caption that points to a Jon vs Sansa thing next season.

Sorry, no interview snippets from me. Too tired to go hunting for reddit thread.

Look, given how monumentally inconsistent the show has been for 2 seasons, you are expecting them now, now to be consistent.

The showrunners have no credibility in terms of their opinions and views. They lost that with Season 5 when they made Sansa into Jeyne Poole when their interviews at the ends of Season 4 and start said that she's learning the game and other crap. They lost that credibility when the consensual sex between Jaime and Cersei became rape and they incompetently let that stay in the edit. And they lose that with their own contradictory post-show comments that make no sense in terms of the actual action we see, and bring in weird ideas that don't apply to the situation, like invoking ISIS for Stannis' death which is just crap.

As for the cast, they are contractually obligated to promote the show and they base it on what the script and showrunners ask them to do, so it's not like they can be entirely honest either.

And you know at the end of the day it's just a show...they can have Sansa try and murder Jon and get executed next season, she would have to become a Sand Snake harpy to do that, will the showrunners alienate a huge portion of the audience again after last season's backlash made them tone down the nudity and sexual violence of Season 6, probably not...the fact is they can do that and people would not buy it just like people haven't bought what they did to Stannis, they know the show robbed him of his glory.

Am trying to be plot-logical too.

LF is a major villain, so they have to have a plot starring him (before they get rid of him), and it has to involve Sansa (because obviously).

I just have issues with it cause I'm still over-protective of fictional character whom fandom is already very critical of for keeping Vale knights secret. If she actually undermines Jon in S7... (I just do not want to care about it.)

I've even tried reasoning to myself - hey, at least she stars in the most number of fanfics. No matter what she does, she'll always have a considerable number of fans who'll forgive her.

Anyway, I am continuously arguing with myself to give up / not care too much about fictional character. The process is taking longer than I wish (because her situation is even worse in the books), but I'll get there.

Was watching this:

My head-canon is that Gaston is a Baratheon descendant.

He's a douche, black-haired, blue eyed, big beefy manly man, hairy and he is handsome.

He even chases after a brown haired girl that is not interested in him and loses her to his enemy.

Edit:

Went searching to see if anyone saw the parallels and found this:

robert baratheon really is the gaston of asoiaf

things robert and gaston have in common:

tall, dark, strong, and handsome brutes (young robert anyways)

obsessed with girls who they think rly want to marry them but actually rly dont like them

in fact from the moment that he met her, saw her, he said she’s gorgeous and he fell in love

black haired

blue eyed

every last inch of ‘em is covered with hair

like to drink

no man in town half as manly

six letter names

likes hunting

meet their deaths from a beast

fight handsome princes

uses antlers in all of their decorating

edited 8th Aug '16 12:22:39 PM by MadSkillz

He could be Robert Baratheon's bastard of a peasant girl in the Reach (a France Counterpart) in some Alternate Universe or perhaps a descendant of Gendry several centuries later in Early Modern Westeros, Gaston is far below the social ladder compared to The Beast/The Prince, he is in fact the son of the provincial peasantry leading a revolt against a decadent aristocrat...

Marchons, marchons!
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons!

Remember Disney is a Fascist Enterprise, it promotes and engages people to identify with their social betters, and look down on the drooling paisans. Do not be blinded by this cryptoroyalist propaganda comrade....

edited 8th Aug '16 12:26:08 PM by JulianLapostat

@Julian Gaston being a descendant of Gendry is my new head-canon.They're even both words that start with G and are 6 letters long.

Went searching to see if anyone saw the parallels and found this:

robert baratheon really is the gaston of asoiaf

things robert and gaston have in common:

tall, dark, strong, and handsome brutes (young robert anyways)

obsessed with girls who they think rly want to marry them but actually rly dont like them

in fact from the moment that he met her, saw her, he said she’s gorgeous and he fell in love

black haired

blue eyed

every last inch of ‘em is covered with hair

like to drink

no man in town half as manly

six letter names

likes hunting

meet their deaths from a beast

fight handsome princes

uses antlers in all of their decorating

edited 8th Aug '16 12:25:16 PM by MadSkillz

GRRM has said that Beauty and the Beast had left a profound influence on him, I think. Maybe he saw Disney's Beauty and the Beast movie and decided to make a homage to Gaston. That'd be interesting.

The thing is Gaston's equation with Belle works because they are of the same class more or less, whereas Robert Baratheon is King. If Bobby B walked up and saw Belle and told someone to Bathe Her and Bring Her to Me, Belle can't say no...I mean it would count as lese-majeste on someone on her low position.

Gaston is pretty coercive but because of his class he has to use different means, he has to convince and get her father away from her, to leave no other Male protector in her life, and somehow manipulate and force consent from her. That is pretty bad by modern standards but arguably an improvement from Robert Baratheon. And Gaston is actually more monagamous than Robert, since Robert would basically look at Belle and those girls at the tavern and bring them all to bed.

Basicallly Class determines these people and their relationships. So you can't simply say Gaston-Belle is Robert-Lyanna because it's not in the same tenor or mode.

I think he means Jean Cocteau's astrounding La Belle et la Bête which is one of his favorite movies and in honor of which he named his New Mexico theatre the Jean Cocteau theatre.

Disney stole a lot from that, including the Gaston-character...the conceit of the original French film is that the actor Jean Marais, plays both UR-Gaston and the Beast. And it's about a Freudian theme of sexuality and attraction...playing on the poignance that at the end we all wanted her to settle for the beast rather than the Dude, who is basically just another handsomus genericus. There its about sex rather than class (but then that's Cocteau).

Beauty and the Beast is there constantly across all ASOIAF, Sansa and the Hound especially (moreso books than the show) but also with Tyrion and his self-loathing and relationships. And Dany's attraction for bad boys.

edited 8th Aug '16 12:39:51 PM by JulianLapostat

Aren't Lyanna and Robert of the same class? They're both children of a Lord Paramount.

Well as most things nothing is one for one.

You could put a pretty good case that Cersei is basically the evil queen from Snow White. She's a beautiful queen whose arch-enemy is a dwarf, is scared of a prettier princess and plots ways to kill her, narcisstic, evil etc.

edited 8th Aug '16 12:42:28 PM by MadSkillz

True but I could see him paying homage to even Disney's Gaston even if that wasn't the source of his love for the Beauty and the Beast story.

I mean this is the guy that named a couple of historical Tullys after Sesame Street characters.

edited 8th Aug '16 12:41:48 PM by MadSkillz

In the case of Lyanna, she is the daughter of a High Lord and her marriage is Arranged Marriage by two houses,. So the decision is made for her, and she can't back out because otherwise there's war. It's not just about her and Robert being in love (though Robert did love her to the extent he can love any woman). There's land/territory/alliance and a lot of smallfolk's lives in the balance there.

In the case of Gaston and Belle, they are both provinical peasants and proto-middle class. Belle's father is some kind of village doctor academic, while Gaston is a gentleman/huntsman and so on. Not the son of the alderman or burgomaster, but a man of means and merit. So there Gaston has to make his case for Belle by his own means and machinations. He has no Land/Territoy and family bloodline to do it for him. That Gaston song, is basically a tribute to his merit and to marry Belle he has to seduce her and get her consent or force her father to arrange a match. So the equation has some level of equality/actual consent and interaction between suitor and bride. And Gaston later tries to use legal means to get rid of her father to coerce Belle to consent. Gaston wants a kind of commitment from her...I mean real Gastons would probablly try and rape Belle but this is a kids cartoon.

Yeah, Cersei is the Evil Queen from fairy tales, though I wish someday people do the original non-Bowdlerlized version of Snow White. In the original story, the Queen wasn't Snow White's stepmother, she was her actual biological mother. The Wicked Stepmother is of course there in Catelyn Stark and Jon Snow, but here it's deconstructed because you understand where Cat is coming from. Jon Snow could, as far as she knows, turn out to be Daemon Blackfyre or the Show!Sand Snakes or Show!Ramsay, grasping fratricidal usurper with semi-legitimacy. You see where she's coming from.

That movie came out in 1990 and he was already Worldbuilding I think for ASOIAF. But I don't think Martin, given his sentiments would care for the Disney Renaissance with its neo-royalism. I mean he said he was against the Disney Middle Ages so obviously that would include this.

It's fun to imagine Disney/Game of Thrones mashes but at the end of the day they are both speaking different languages and across each other.

GRRM only had an outline of his story and the first 13 chapters by 1993. That's plenty of time to switch some things up. And the Baratheons weren't that big in his original story outline. Apparently from what I can see, there was just Robert, trueborn Joffrey Baratheon and Sansa's son.

True about it being fun to imagine Disney/Game of Thrones mash ups.

Arianne Martell could be Princess Jasmine.

Falia Flowers would be Cinderella except her prince charming is.....Euron.

I don't think the Disney Renaissance really cares about politics. Disney just enjoys princesses. Princesses are fun to tell stories about to little children. Senators, elected ministers, and presidents far less so.

The Lannisters would be The Lion King albeit in a twisted vein.

Tyrion is Scar/Tywin is Mufasa/Joffrey is Young Simba/Jaime is old Simba/Cersei is Nala. Pycelle is Zazu, and Bronn/Shae/Podrick are Scar's Hyenas, and Tommen and Myrcella are Timon and Pumbaa. In GRRM, Scar aka the Richard III Evil Uncle resentful usurper stereotype is the good guy.

Daenerys is Jasmine (eastern princess who learns of life by going among the poor people) and Khal Drogo/Daario Naharis are her Aladdin, and instead of carpets, she rides a giant dragon.

Stannis would be Jafar or Hades. Jafar because he's, a progressive man who is unfairly demonized as the historicall Grand Vizier Jafar was (and Richard III is) and Hades because he's driven and ruined by prophecy. Arya Stark and Sansa are Anna and Elsa. obviously.

Jon Snow is Hercules, Disney Hercules, Maester Aemon is Phil, Ghost is Pegasus, and Ygritte is Megara.

All Issues Are Political Issues mon vieux. Disney tend to present the kind of santiized view of royalty, kingdoms and feudalism that would be disturbing if you thought a little too deep about it.

I generally have always preferred Looney Tunes to anything coming from Disney...in the case of Pixar, I like Wreck It Ralph and yeah, Frozen is quite nice.

Beric is Robin Hood and Joffrey is Disney's King John. They're even both lions.