Warhammer 40,000

Oh, I'm not trying to imply the Eldar are doing much better, although they at least have enough books that they can be considered a "series". Neglecting 40K's nonhuman factions in favour of yet more power armour pornography is a general problem Black Library has, and I was only singling the Tau out because their count of actual novels is the lowest among factions that can be shown with nuance, not because they're unique in being neglected thus.

Im actually saying the tau are doing better because they have more novels and they show naunce in the codex, rather than the eldar who spend more time a) dying b) showing they are dicks, which is why I complain of the lack nuance.

is like representation, it need more than just a token novel here or there, it need atention and so far, I dont see....well the ynnari seen to be fixing that issue.

I don't think arguing over whose preferred xenos faction is getting the slightly worse part of the short end of the stick is actually going to be a useful discussion avenue when we could be working together to tear down the aforementioned cavalcade of cookie-cutter Astartes protagonists.

Dan Abnett sells and mostly writes human versus human, and several of the early Xenos focused novels were clunkers-the Fire Warrior game tie-in was bad for a variety of reasons, Farseer was actually about a Rogue Trader, and Eldar Prophecy was a disaster by CS Goto that killed any interest in the Eldar until Gav Thorpe took another crack at it. Combine that with many multi-book series concerning the literal poster boys-Astartes-then add in the new flagship Horus Heresy series, and cap it with one of the four most visible races-Orks-being unsuitable for POV, and this is where you end up.

Specifically, we end up in a bad place where the majority of their output is about the same three subjects (and one of those subjects is another one with spikes on), which is exactly the problem that I'm trying to bring to the foreground.

to be fair, not even all astartes are equal: the iron hand really get the short end of the stick to the holy loyal trinity of ultras-blood anges-dark angels.

I used to be piss because the FUCKING FURRYS get more protagonist over the thousand sons but after wrath of magnus Im and easy with that.

Dan Abett is a about human vs human chararter, even he dosent focus so much about demons, always sticking to heretic(make you ask why eseinhorn was xeno inquisitor to begin it) and while the Ork cant be a POV on books(I feel comic are fair game) the beast series really focus on them which is always a plus.

It's not just the books. Promotional material, in-game content and even the fandom — especially the fandom, including writers — is incredibly biased towards Marines in particular and Imperium in general. There's a pie chart around that shows GW's product distribution — Imperium has more than all other factions put together, and Space Marines are nearly a third of the total product range (without counting Chaos Space Marines).

Fuck the Iron Hands.

SLAANESHI DETECTED! PREPARE EXTERMIANTUS!

Iron Hands are the most literally who first founding chapter, and that includes Raven Guard and White Scars.

,What? Some clarification in order, perhaps.

Another random Tyranid question: are Hydraphants an actual thing? They're supposedly the largest Tyranid bio-titan, even bigger than the Hierophants, but I've heard conflicting reports as to whether they actually exist or if they're just someone's fanon. If they do exist, what's the source for them?

Yes, though they were only mentioned in Epic, where they were larger than an Imperator Titan and the largest Bio-Titan by a wide margin. I think outside of one reference in the Epic fluff, they only appeared in an old issue of White Dwarf way back.

edited 14th Sep '17 9:55:07 PM by ViperMagnum357

So, because my main army isn't getting much in the way of love for a while, I'll start working on a Death Guard army. One of the people at my FLGS is letting me have the Death Guard half of Dark Imperium for 50 bucks, and I'll be ordering the Plague Brethren today (once my local Warhammer store opens).

I'll have to wait until next week for the codex most likely though.

Likely will be getting the dice though. At least two sets.

edited 15th Sep '17 8:40:01 AM by BlackSunNocturne

"especially the fandom, including writers — is incredibly biased towards Marines in particular and Imperium in general."

If I see right, I feel the fandom is more into imperial guard than the speace marine, they have become the batman of the franshine being popular for the whole "badass normal shitck"

"Fuck the Iron Hands. "

What fulgrim said in Istavaan

Also who are guy who recibe less atention in chaos space marines? for a while I feel it was thousand sons until wrath of magnus, since almost all of it was black legion, world eaters and death guard.

Are you talking about in the books?

'cause Death Guard NEVER got any books until the Horus Heresy series.

Hell, even amongst Chaos Marines it was: Iron Warriors, Night Lords, Black Legion, Thousand Sons, and Word Bearers for Traitor Legions, and then there was the Blood Gorgons who got their own book.

World Eaters have two books, both entirely about Kharn.

@Viper: Not much to explain. The Iron Hands are the First Founding chapter that gets the least focus, with only two named characters counting their primarch (and the other one doesn't even have a tabletop profile). Even Ferrus is mostly notable for dying to Fulgrim.

Ah, you were speaking of GW's dumping on the chapter, rather than a personal preference.

Re Xenos not getting any BL love (heh) — Imperium-centricity aside, I chalk it to the usual difficulty of a human writer trying to write about an altogether alien culture or perspective. See the Fire Warrior novel, or even the Path books.

Oh yeah, I don't dislike them. I just don't care about them at all, which can be said for about 95% of Space Marine chapters.

It still stings to have no novels and have the only Necron short story collection be 70% Space Marines, of course, the Tyranids are even worse off.

I'd actually be very interested in seeing something written from a Tyranid perspective, if such a thing is possible. Give it to Grant Morrison or someone else known for bizarre, blue-and-orange writing.

I just want a 40k novel illustrated by Keith Thompson.

Currently considering what pieces i'm going to buy to make my traitor Ogryns and Ratlings.

I'm thinking of mix-matching the fantasy Ogors with the Ogryns box to make myself between 6 to 9 of them.

As for the ratlings, I initially planned to go for Grundstock Thunderers with Space Marine Scouts rifles. But I discovered that Skitarii rangers are a thing with their delicious galvanic rifles.

Decisions, decisions...

If you have the cash you could always go for the Forge World Renegade Ogryn Berserker models.